Now This is my idea of a Revolution

[MetaRommie]

Okay the comic thing isn't working we need to try something new, like someone said we should send in small jars of peanut butter with a note that says, "a gazillion dollars worth of computer equitment and not one jar of peanut butter"- Helena Kyle, i thought this is a great idea because it would get others attention like local radio stations and stuff or we could put our money together and make a commercial telling the WB we won't give up. And you know those huge cards you get for people on Valentine's Day, we could send those in except with a birds of prey poster on the outside and on the inside it says "Keep Birds of Prey Flying, We won't give up!!!" We need to do more then just this comic book thing even though its a great idea ITS NOT ENOUGH and half of ya'll still don't understand that it is not enough. Sure working together as one strong group is important and is the only way we have any hope of getting Birds of Prey back but the comics have been done and they did not budge, and I'm not trying to be mean ya'll people are stupid if your not going to help of think of new ideas that we can all do together, thank you for your time.

Rommie Carpenter
PS: I'm creating a site with all the campaign ideas you people give me.



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[AmericanEagle83]

Well I agree with everything except the fuc*ing stupid part. I've said the peanut butter thing and they all said it was stupid. I said the commercial and they all said it was stupid. Nobody here is willing to do anything other than comics. I'm afraid you're wasting your breath. I do think we need to do more. MUCH MORE. Nobody here understands. Someone at TheWB.com (Vandernus) came up with a brilliant idea. Order and send 25 pizzas to Regis and Kelly with "Save Birds of Prey" spelled out in pepperoni or olives whichever is easier. I think that would be great. You know they'd mention it on the air. They have that whole "GAB FEST" thing at the begining of the show. And I think we're all capable of raising $200 bucks to buy the pizza. That's only .16 cents a person!!!!! Don't tell me you can't afford that!

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

I did not say the commercial idea was stupid. I said it is extremely expensive and I would rather help animals if I have that much money to hand over. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. AmericanEagle, if you would like to orgainize a collection, by all means, please do. There is NO REASON why you can't orgainze something. You can do the work that is involved to make it happen too.

As for the peanut butter, you yourself realized that it was not the best idea and begged to have that thread removed. Remember? And that food would benefit homeless shelters far more than it would the WB.

Nobody here understands??? Do you know how hard everyone worked to make this happen, to advertise, to create the site, responding to mail, etc??? Why are *you* not doing more? You don't have to wait for someone else, suggesting an idea will not make it happen. If you really want to see it happen, then organize it instead of leaving the work for someone else. Posting an idea is easy, making it happen is another deal entirely.

The pizza idea sounds really cute. What is your next step to making that happen? I would love to see that happen. Please give us more details on how it will work.

[MetaRommie]

Originally posted by AmericanEagle83
......Someone at TheWB.com (Vandernus) came up with a brilliant idea. Order and send 25 pizzas to Regis and Kelly with "Save Birds of Prey" spelled out in pepperoni or olives whichever is easier. I think that would be great. You know they'd mention it on the air. They have that whole "GAB FEST" thing at the begining of the show. And I think we're all capable of raising $200 bucks to buy the pizza. That's only .16 cents a person!!!!! Don't tell me you can't afford that!

Yeah I think it was your post I read on the WB Message Board, and omg that pizza idea would totally work it would be all over the news and radio and everything else.

[LisaM]

MetaRommie and AmericanEagle: If you aren't happy with the direction that the campaign has taken and would like to propose CONCRETE steps in a different direction, I am listening. However, I am pretty damned tired of hearing people complain without them proposing a complete alternative plan.

Please understand that there are a lot of complications in connection with every plan. For example, you want to "put your money together and buy a commercial" or "order and send 25 pizzas to Regis and Kelly", please come up with a concrete plan as to (i) who is going to collect the money PRIOR to ordering anything since the vendor is going to want cash upon delivery; (ii) how are people to send money to the designated person; (iii) who is going to research the cost and, in the case of the commercial, order the ad time, etc...;(iv) who is going to write and distribute the press release to the media; (v) who is going to find out the exact room address for the pizza delivery?

If you want to buy a national commercial, the cost likely exceeds $50,000 for a 30 second spot depending upon the tv show during which it is run. If you want to buy an ad in Variety, the cost runs from $3000 on up. These are great ideas... However, both organizations are going to demand payment up front. Is either of you going to use your credit card to front the payment? If not, when and how do you want to start collecting the money? How long do you think it will take to raise and collect that kind of money?

I think that you need to understand that it is one thing to throw out ideas but it is another thing entirely to propose a step-by-step plan which takes into consideration all of the variables needed to make it work.

[DrayvensCrow]

You know, I knew there was a reason I liked you from the get-go, Lisa! She's right guys, it has to be a concrete idea and MUST be researched BEFORE proposing it. Ted and Lisa are doing the best they can, and I think they are doing a fine job! If not, I wouldn't be here. Right now, all that you two are doing is dividing the group, which I'm sure Mrs. Levin would LOVE to see! We must stick together for the good of the show. Militant members need to calm down and realize this!

[MetaRommie]

::blinks repeatedly::umm well the huge card idea was good...

[LisaM]

I'm not saying it isn't good...tell us how you are going to organize it. Are people going to have to go out and find huge cards on their own? Do they have to be a certain uniform size? Is there going to be a place to download a poster which will fit that size? How much will the postage cost? To whom should they be sent? Why do you think that these will be more successful than comics?

MetaRommie: I am NOT saying that you don't have good ideas. I am saying that you need to flesh them out.

[DrayvensCrow]

Yes it is. This is a concrete idea. If I were in a major market, I would be doing, not helping those who could, with ideas. With my job and the fact that the cloesest major to me is 2 hrs. away in Dallas, I can't do much on a big level. I did get to discuss BOPOL on a statewide radio show that does get to some listeners out of state. But as far as a large scale job goes, nocando.

[DrayvensCrow]

Can I help with this one, Lisa?

[LisaM]

Absolutely

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

If anyone has concrete ideas with a whole game plan on how to implement them, by all means, let us know. I am all for new ideas that are realistic.

I want the show back as much as the rest of you.

[MetaRommie]

Hmm fine I'll think of a plan thats completely thought out...

[SevenSlave]

How about holding a charity benefit? (The Firefly and Witchblade people have each held at least one.)

It would proved some much-needed publicity for our campaign (in addition to helping out a worthy cause.)

[MetaRommie]

Oh thats a great idea...

[LisaM]

Ted is actually working on a charity-related idea. The idea he has in mind is great but ..it is a plan which takes a lot of initial planning work in order to pull it off.

[SevenSlave]

That's wonderful. :)

And all this time I was afraid that I was being ignored. :(

[jaguarin]

Nobody is ignored here, be sure of that

[MetaRommie]

Heres an idea that most of us could do: We could all take out add-space in the local newpapers and insert the Missing: The Birds of Prey Flyer into it, that might get us some publicity...I know its not completely thought out but I wanna know if ya guys think its a good idea before I think it out all the way.

[LisaM]

I think it depends upon the cost. How much does ad space large enough for a BoP flyer to be visible cost in a typical local newspaper? Also, how do you organize people in different areas so that several people aren't taking out ads in the same newspapers? If an ad in a St. Louis paper costs $100 for example, do you set up a thread to match up people who live in St. Louis so that they can pay for that ad? Or...is there a general fund to pay for the ads? Also...since the newspaper is going to require the payment before they will run the ad, unless one person is going to pay for the ad in each paper, how is the money going to be collected?

Perhaps instead of local newspapers, an ad could run in the LA Times, which is read by all tv execs. Someone could do the leg work involved...measure the size of the BoP flyer so that it is legible in print, call the LA Times and find out the cost of an ad, figure out how to collect the money, etc...It also depends upon what the purpose of the ad(s) is. Is it to attract more fans to the campaign or is it to attract the attention of the execs?


Just tossing out some food for thought.

[MetaRommie]

hmm why ya always havta make everything so complicated...well its not your fault its the stupid worlds fault...

[LisaM]

LOL...I am not making things so complicated. This is the reality of the situation. IT IS complicated to get things done.

[MetaRommie]

:: pouts ::well i don't like it, why can't we all just sneak onto the wb lot and hold the people hostage intil we get BoP back then we can watch it from the jail cell

[LisaM]

That'll work, too!

Seriously, the biggest sticking point to an ad, for example, is collecting the money upfront. If an ad in the LA Times large enough for the BOP flyer costs $10,000 for example, unless someone wants to front the money, we will have to collect it first. If someone wants to front the money and get repaid later, we can design and place the ad now. If anyone is seriously interested, send me a PM to discuss.

An ad in the LA Times, particularly if they will agree to run it on the TV Page, would be very cool.

[StoyBoy720]

I wouldn't mind putting some cash in on this if you're collecting.

I can also "shrink" the Missing flyer if you want.

[LisaM]

That's the point. It depends upon what the purpose of the ad is. If it is to attract the attention of the execs in the tv business, an ad in Variety or the LA Times is probably the best bet. If the objective is to get new fans to be involved with the campaign, then many ads in newspapers across the country would be the way to go.

[JustMike]

Going with the LA Times idea....

Uhhh Just a quick costing there (wholly cow...I must have the wrong idea here).

I went to the advertising page on LA Times Site (http://www.latimes.com/services/site/la-media-contacts.htmlstory) .

Got the phone number and spoke with Irene @213.237.3033

Anyhows... Costing is a bit expensive...
I went with the idea of placing an advocacy display ad...(not the right way to go...sheesh ya could fund an episode of BoP w\ the cost (sarcasim there)).

All costs below are +\- a few hundred here and there
5 in by 10.5 in ad
Weekday - approx $41k
Sunday - approx $52k

4 in by 10.5 in
Weekday - approx $33k
Sunday - approx $42k

[LisaM]

Guess we aren't doing an ad in the LA Times...

A partial page ad in Variety costs from $3,000 - $7,000 if memory serves correctly. Someone could do the work and confirm this.

Thanks for doing the legwork with the LA Times, JustMike. Appreciate it.

[JustMike]

Uhh YUP... I almost choked on my Starbucks when she told me the Sunday pricing... I'm not about to work for an entire year to place a one day ad ROFL

Now, I did state too that it was an Advocacy Display Ad...meaning artwork included.

I'm sure text only ads would be much less expensive (one would hope)....

[AmericanEagle83]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! Why the hell are they so damn expensive?!!! So I'm guessing NY Times is even more. I'm from the bay area so I'll look into the SF Chronicle. It goes everywhere.

[LisaM]

I am sure that the NYTimes is more money.

[AmericanEagle83]

I would tend too agree.

[witchbladejar]

It appears that money is an issue for most of us because we have too little. I do love the pizza Idea to Regis and Kelly.

Count me in on some new ideas. Comic books and letters are being returned and knowing the wb these days I bet they are trashing the ones with the same return address.

[SevenSlave]

Which is why we're no longer targeting the WB.

We're appealing to Levin's boss: Warner Bros. CEO Barry Meyer.

[JustMike]

NY Times Ad Info (http://nytadvertising.nytimes.com/adonis/html/arts_readernot.htm)

Going with NY Times, if you, the "Place an Ad" advocates, were all serious... Variety or NY Times might be the way to go. IN TEXT ONLY ADVERTISING...

NY Times
A "Readers Notice" ad within the "Arts and Entertainment" section...

LINE RATE

Weekday - $580
Sunday - $770

All notices marked "advt.," eight words to a line including "Advt." affixed. Minimum 2 lines, maximum 6 lines.
Note: This category requires credit card payment or check with order.

I don't know if the costs shown above mean $ per line meaning that a 4 line ad during a weekday would be $2320 or what... Hmmm, 4 to 6 lines...could you all get what you wanted to say within the 6 line maximum requirement?

If you wouldn't get what you wanted.... Better get out the lawn mower and start cutting grass for cash or something.... Ya got another huge price.

Color/Other Premiums and Discounts (http://nytadvertising.nytimes.com/adonis/html/arts_premiums.htm)

12% Full Page Discount
10% Centerspread Discount

Color Advertising

Weekday Nationwide
1/2 Page to Full Page $17,400
Less than 1/2 Page 13,800

Weekday NY Regional
1/2 Page to Full Page $15,100
Less than 1/2 Page 12,000

Sunday Nationwide
1/2 Page to Full Page $19,800
Less than 1/2 Page 15,800

Sunday NY Regional
1/2 Page to Full Page $17,400
Less than 1/2 Page 13,800

As I had mentioned in regards to the LA Times... That was a "Display Ad" meaning that it was basically the idea of Graphics... So, you have all the cost of the artwork, which is a big reason why it's so much. I don't think, and Lisa you might have to chime in on this part, a display ad would be the way to go anyway with possibilities of legal issues (copyright and what not).

[BopRockMyWorld]

well ya could count me in on putting money......:)

[MetaRommie]

Yea you can count on us to ::cheers::

~Rommie
~Sean

[LisaM]

What is the purpose of the ad? Is it to reach tv network execs? If so, then an ad in Variety is probably the best bet since all execs probably read Variety. Numerous other campaigns - Firefly, most recently - have placed ads in Variety. The Firefly ad which was placed in Variety can be seen here: http://www.fireflysupport.com/variety.html According to the Firefly website, the ad cost over $3,000.

If people want to place an ad in Variety, someone has to be in charge of either fronting the money or collecting all of the individual donations. Remember - Variety will want to be paid upfront before they run the ad. Any volunteers - with a concrete plan of how to do this - please PM me.

If it is to reach other fans and educate them about the campaign, small local (cheap) newspapers are the way to go.

[DrayvensCrow]

OK, NY boppers! Poster board is only a dollar or two and most everyone has a printer or has access to one. So, print good pics of our BOPpers and write out BOP and the url so that they may be seen well. Those having tees, wear them. Can you make one? Do it. Out of state boppers? Traveling to NY? Hit the morning shows....same as above. Can you make Bumper stickers? Taking flyers? As for if you get on air, don't make like you are at a concert. Speak clearly, thoughtfully, and with passion. How's that? Oh, btw, ny boppers can organize the trips to trl and morning shows. Your fingers aren't broke so PM, AIM away!Those of us who can't make the trips, hit the www and hit those morning and trl sites hard and often. Well, Lisa?

[LisaM]

Well done, Drayvens Crow...concrete and organized.

[DrayvensCrow]

Spank me. Spank me very much! LOL:p

[JustMike]

That's what we need....The ideas with the "how to" actions to back them up...

I'm an out of state dude.... awwww (either way, about to ship out for work soon so I can't make any concrete plans right now).

For the local papers... I do have a somewhat of an idea here...
Instead of each person doing this individually and trying to collect monies here online... We attempt to break into some sort of "Local BoP Campaign Chapters", then work together in a "Local Sense"... Once we, each\any possible chapter created.....achieves any type of success (e.g an ad was placed, other BoPpers have joined your local chapter, etc...) post the success here online for celebration.

IF something like this were to take place....IF there is any success at doing so, maybe there could even be some possibilities of having this site post links regarding each of the "Local Chapters"

NOW, this is only my lack of nicotine (quit smoking last night...hope I make sense in this post today...brain has gone mushier than usual) opinion here.... So many of the ideas I've seen posted have been genuinely good ideas however, most of them I do believe would be much easier to pull off with the idea of having a so called "Local BoP Campaign Chapter".

This idea too... if the "Local" group has an idea that all in that group like and action's been taken with it, if there seems to be good notice of the successes then there is somewhat of a "case study" that's been done that can be given to Lisa and the Gang to look at further for possibilities of pushing it down from the "Collective Soul" (birdsofpreyonline.com).

Again, I'm kinda ranting here due to a nicotine deprived brain...For all the underage BoPpers here... Don't Start... LOL

[SevenSlave]

Instead of limiting ourselves to the campaign, why don't we split into local units in general? (I know Trekkers have Local Klingon Units or something like that ... LOL ).

[StoyBoy720]

The thing about splitting into groups, is that each group then has their own agenda. It's not necessarily bad, but we do still have to be united too. Strength in numbers.

[LisaM]

If people want to take the initiative to do that, great. I think that you are going to find that, unfortunately, most people prefer not to do the work involved to research and present concrete plans. They would prefer to follow specific instructions.

I am all for groups of people banding together on a local level and researching local ad rates, local radio stations, etc... However, be forewarned that this takes a lot of work just to get organized...

Example: the St. Louis people have to IDENTIFY and reach out to each other - by PM or email... Just to break people into specific local regions is an effort. A thread can certainly be started here for people to band together locally.

[JustMike]

Anything good and worth while takes a lot of hard work, time, and energy... Just like everything always tends to get worse before it gets better...

Stoyboy...I agree with ya in the fullest sense... The power of the "collective" is where uhhh it's where the power is...

I do however, and did also when I posted the idea to begin with, agree fully with Lisa, that unfortunately (in my words here and not hers) that most tend to prefer to be followers, myself included.

I don't really like the phrase "Split into groups" and I shouldn't have used the word break myself either... Think Identify would be the better word as I wasn't trying to imply the thought of abandonment of the campaign\forum\site here as I believe it is and should be the driving power.

Another point that Lisa stated, that I've found and agree with to the fullest extent would be the identifying other individuals in the local area....at least in MY local area. Everyone I've spoken to regarding the campaign and what not... I keep hearing "Oh Ya, I've heard of that show" or "what station was that on", but the more common phrase I get is "nope, never heard of it" and all had the same in common.... "Never watched it". However, where I am, the only advertisements I ever saw was the WB Commercials...no Billboards out here for BoP... There's one for Gilmore Girls, another for Everwood both within a mile of each other on the same road..

Hey, IF there is anyone within the Lake County or McHenry County area of Illinois... Let me know, maybe we can make somethin' fly.

[SevenSlave]

I don't recall seeing ANY billboards for BOP -- or any other WB show, for that matter -- down here in Florida (The only ones I've seen our WB affiliate put up are for its evening comedy block of Will & Grace, Just Shoot Me, and Everyone Loves Raymond ... with the occasional one for Seinfeld tossed in for good measure).

I haven't even seen `em for Smallville or GG.

Anyone live in the Tampa Bay (Florida) Area?

[Jacklyn]

In NY, you see plenty of Smallville, Gilmore Girls, 7th Heaven and Everwood, but we got nothing for BOP or Angel for that matter...The WB just never advertised right...

[Kea]

Ummm Lisa I just have to ask but are you trying to hint at something to those of us in Missouri?!?! ;) (I only ask because you keep bring up St. Louis in your examples! Unless your thinking of a different St. Louis then never mind!) :D

On a said note: If anyone does the pizza deal see if a pizza place would give a discount do to the number of pizza’s you get. Or try to find someone you know who works or owns a pizza place. They might be willing to reduce the price as well. (I had a friend of mine do that for a large party!)

[LisaM]

LOL, Kea! I actually think I am using St. Louis as an example because of you. I remember when we were discussing television writers in various cities that you said you were from St. Louis. I guess it stuck!

[SevenSlave]

1st Rule of PR: Do not let the publicity stunt overshadow the cause/company/product it is supposed to be promoting.

It is all very well and good for us to send pizzas saying "Save BOP" in pepperoni to "Live! with Regis & Kelly". However, the idea here is to get people to come to the website and join the campaign to save the show. If it doesn't accomplish that, we've just wasted our money.

What's more, the average viewer of "Live! with Regis & Kelly" isn't going to have a clue as to what BOP stands for. :(

We have to keep in mind the ultimate objective of our PR campaign -- promoting the campaign site (and hence, saving the show).

[DReese]

How did any other shows that got cancelled get renewed and become successful...was it because of the fans? or...something else...

[DReese]

Would it be any help to put BOP in the record. I have connections with the guy ans the record. I could maybe put something in there explaining why and go to the site and stuff, and how good the show is....

[SevenSlave]

I think I missed that post. :(

[DReese]

You know, newspapers and stuff, here, theres a west springfield record of important dates, news, and stuff, i could write about BOP and put the adress for the sites to everyone who loved the show to go to the sites and help out

[DReese]

make sense? its like a newspaper you get but only on sundays....hard to explain, its like a newspaper, thats all...wouldnt that help out

[SevenSlave]

The record is a NEWSPAPER.

That would be great! :)

Just do what you can ... that's all we're asking. :cool:

[DReese]

I hope all the things we do for the show will help BRING IT BACK

[SevenSlave]

I hope so too. :)

[DReese]

so my other question was, if anyone knows, how did other shows that were cancelled get renewed and become successful... was it because of the fans or ....somethings else...

[SevenSlave]

The fans had a lot to do with it (That's how it was in the cases of Touched By An Angel, Cagney & Lacey, Roswell, La Femme Nikita, Sliders, and Forever Knight). They wrote letters and protested the network. :)

[AmericanEagle83]

Originally posted by SevenSlave
1st Rule of PR: Do not let the publicity stunt overshadow the cause/company/product it is supposed to be promoting.

It is all very well and good for us to send pizzas saying "Save BOP" in pepperoni to "Live! with Regis & Kelly". However, the idea here is to get people to come to the website and join the campaign to save the show. If it doesn't accomplish that, we've just wasted our money.

What's more, the average viewer of "Live! with Regis & Kelly" isn't going to have a clue as to what BOP stands for. :(

We have to keep in mind the ultimate objective of our PR campaign -- promoting the campaign site (and hence, saving the show). The idea isn't to spell out "Save BOP" it's to spell out "Save Birds of Prey"

[SevenSlave]

^ My question remains: How is that going to lead people to the campaign website? If we're too over-the-top, we run the risk of having our publicity stunt overshadow our cause.

[AmericanEagle83]

How? I don't understand that logic. It can only help.

[SevenSlave]

We're supposed to be promoting the campaign!

How is writing "Save Birds of Prey" on a pizza in pepperoni and sending it to "Live! With Regis and Kelly" going to lead people to the campaign website?

We're trying to recruit new people to the campaign. Let's not lose sight of our goal.

[AmericanEagle83]

That is bringing attention to the campaign. I don't see how it could hurt it.

[SevenSlave]

^ True, it might not hurt it.

What I'm saying is that we should make our time in the spotlight count. Whatever we do should lead people to the campaign website.

[StoyBoy720]

What Seven's trying to get to Eagle is that Simply having "Save Birds of Prey" doesn't advertise the campaign site at all. And people can't come to a website they don't know about.

[SevenSlave]

^ Thank you, StoyBoy. :)

I couldn't have said it better myself. ;)

[MetaRommie]

Umm we could spell out Save Birds of PRey in pepporoni and then spell outthe campaign site in olives

[SevenSlave]

^ Outside-The-Box thinking ... I like it! :)

(Or is it "Inside-The-Box" ... or "Inside-The-Pizza-Box" ... Oh, you know what I mean! :D ;) )

[DrayvensCrow]

OK, then have someone deliver the pizza dressed as Catwoman and put the url and tag line on the box, making sure to tilt it down enough to see w/o messing up the pizza.....

[JustMike]

Let alone the idea that just spelling out "Save BoP" might not be understood by everyone...

Spelling out "Save Birds of Prey" is closer however, might just get taken as "Save the Hawks and Eagles"

Now, this is all also given with the idea that the delivery driver drives safely so when the Pizzas get delivered they don't just say " " well how do you spell out all the cheese and sause being all stuck on the top of the pizza box...

It's also going with the assumption that the pizza place where the pizzas are ordered, places the pepperoni on top of the cheese instead of underneath..

[JustMike]

Just came up with somethin' here....going with ideas of Pizzas...(and Seven's idea of thinking OUTSIDE of the (pizza) box)...

It's gotta be done on more of a LOCAL level... Know of anyone that owns a pizza shop? Not a Domino's or Rosati's (only due to the corporate overshadow with them)... Print out some of the campaign flyers that have been created and ask your buddy if you can use those as box toppers on the pizza deliveries.

Just an idea

[Kea]

Aww Lisa I feel the love! :) And yes my TV writer does suck! (Actually the entire newspaper is only good to potty train a puppy dog but lets not get into that!) :D

I am going to talk to a few people I know and see if we can maybe get an article going somewhere in one of the local newspapers. (I’ve got editing to do and so on but we will see!)

On a said note I just found this! Just like TRL only on a local level! I actually just came across it today! So anyone who wants to try it go ahead! http://www.ksdk.com/window_stl/window_stl.asp

[AmericanEagle83]

Originally posted by DrayvensCrow
OK, then have someone deliver the pizza dressed as Catwoman and put the url and tag line on the box, making sure to tilt it down enough to see w/o messing up the pizza..... I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Catwoman idea! Now, who want's to do it? If I lived anywhere near NY I so would. I wish there were shows that filmed in San Francisco like that. I'd do it in a second! Not Catwoman. LOL. I'm a guy. But hey, it wouldn't be all that odd considering it IS San Francisco. But I'd deliver the pizzas.

[MetaRommie]

Theres Good Day Live in LA

[DOCMIDNITE]

LISA
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING A LETTER TO GAREB SHAMUS, OWNER OF THE "WIZARD" COMICS MAGAZINE. I KNOW THIS MAGAZINE REACHES A LOT OF COMIC FANS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOW, AND FANS JUST FAMILIAR WITH THE CHARECTERS. I AM GOING TO ASK HIM TO DO AN ARTICLE ON THE THE BIRDS OF PREY CANCELLATION AND PERHAPS AN ARTICLE ON THE HERO TYPE SHOWS IN GENERAL. I HOPE TO INSTILL NEW INTEREST IN THE PLIGHT OF THE SHOW AND TO GET THE WEBSITE MORE RECOGNITION.(IE...MORE MEMBERS).
I WILL ALSO BE POSTING A THREAD ON A "SEASON TWO". POSSIBLE NEW CHARECTERS AND AN IDEA FOR THE SEASON OPENER. YES IT IS JUST A FANTASY BUT I NOW HAVE 16 PAGES OF NOTES ON WHAT STARTED AS A GOOF, BUT HAS TURNED INTO A PRETTY INTERESTING STORY. I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL WRITER AND HAVE NOT WRITTEN ANY SHORT STORIES SINCE HIGH SCHOOL/2ND YEAR OF COLLEGE. IF I GET ENOUGH POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE GENERAL IDEAS OF THE WRITING I WOULD SEND THE STORY INTO WB OR ANY OTHER STATION NECCESARY.
I FIGURED TO SEND IT TO THE WB BECAUSE THEY STATED THAT THE WRITING WAS TO BLAME FOR THE SHOWS POOR SHOWING. IF A SIMPLE PERSON LIKE ME COULD ACTUALLY WRITE AN EPISODE OR IDEAS FOR AN EPISODE, IMAGINE WHAT A TRUE WRITER WITH A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF COMIC BOOKS COULD DO.(KEVIN SMITH COMES TO MIND...DOGMA, CHASING AMY, MALLRATS) HE IS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WRITER AND DOES HAVE AN EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF COMICS.

[StoyBoy720]

Well he did write a lot of comics too. His run on Daredevil and the Spider-Man/Black Cat series from last year comes to mind.

[DOCMIDNITE]

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT. HE, (SMITH) HAS SAID HIS COMIC WRITING IS FOR FUN; BUT HIS MOVIE WRITING IS HIS BREAD AND BUTTER. I DON'T SEE WHY THIS CAN'T EXPAND INTO TV.

[LisaM]

Docmidnite: Please let us know if you get a response from Mr. Shamus...Great idea!

[DrayvensCrow]

Good Luck, Doc! I still haven't heard from ANYONE at Wizard! They get a snail mail and e-mail from me each day since they killed the on-set with BOP article 1-2 issues ago! Maybe they will listen to you....I had put this idea out on an earlier thread....

[DOCMIDNITE]

Originally posted by DrayvensCrow
Good Luck, Doc! I still haven't heard from ANYONE at Wizard! They get a snail mail and e-mail from me each day since they killed the on-set with BOP article 1-2 issues ago! Maybe they will listen to you....I had put this idea out on an earlier thread....
The problem with wizard is they are very close minded. once they "blast" something they are pretty pigheaded about it. I am still going to give it a shot. Maybe if I incorporate the idea of past hero shows in general and work in the BOP angle. I get Wizard every month but have never seen a BOP article. Smallville, yes. BOP, No. Wish me luck.

[jaguarin]

GOOOOOOD LUUUUCK---
THE FORCE WILL BE WITH YOU....

[Kea]

I agree. Good luck with that DOCMIDNITE.
I really like the idea of putting flyers on any fast food deliveries!

You know I was thinking of this but what if we send a pizza to Peter Roth, Barry Meyer or Bonnie Hammer? I mean they are the people we are tying to persuade. (Ok I was hungry when I thought of this so it might not be the best idea!)


If/when someone does the TRL or GMA or one of those shows maybe someone could make a copy of the tape and send it in. Or maybe send a few post cards saying 'We even go to TRL for our Bop' or something like that!
Or call the hotline and say you went to TRL to show your support for the show.


On a side note if we do an ad try not to put to much writing in the ad. People have short attention spans. Also you know they say a picture is worth a 1000 words..but it might cost you in an ad!
Best beat is a paper read by many people so you can forget the ST-PD Lisa! ;)

[StoyBoy720]

Yeah, all-text ads, while cheap, won't do it probably. I mean if I'm going through ads, I just glance over them, and the eye-catching ones get my attention, I don't go through to read every one. That's just me though, but it if we can afford it a picture ad would be best.

[DrayvensCrow]

Originally posted by DOCMIDNITE
The problem with wizard is they are very close minded. once they "blast" something they are pretty pigheaded about it. I am still going to give it a shot. Maybe if I incorporate the idea of past hero shows in general and work in the BOP angle. I get Wizard every month but have never seen a BOP article. Smallville, yes. BOP, No. Wish me luck.

I did wish you luck :D Now, as for Wizard, It wasn't an article, it was a note upfront SAYING they dropped the article, because of the cancelation.Issue 138, Page 8, And I Quote...."Miles that Associate Editor Jesse Thompson traveled for a "Birds of Prey: set visit story which will never see print because the show got cancelled-6000" It's right underneathe Gareb's letter.

I am still trying, you should try too. Maybe I am just not putting it in words that they can understand.

If anyone else wants to join in:
Magic Words
151 Wells Ave.
Congers, NY 10920
OR E-Mail @:
JMcLauch@aol.com

[DOCMIDNITE]

"D-CROW"
Thanks for the confirm. I was drinving myself nuts looking for the blurb. It is all set to go. Perhaps Gareb can have the article re-written another way, or incorporate it into a Save The BOP campaign. It would definitely get him more subscribers if he helped the campaign.!!!!!:D :D

[DrayvensCrow]

Originally posted by DOCMIDNITE
"D-CROW"
Thanks for the confirm. I was drinving myself nuts looking for the blurb. It is all set to go. Perhaps Gareb can have the article re-written another way, or incorporate it into a Save The BOP campaign. It would definitely get him more subscribers if he helped the campaign.!!!!!:D :D

DOC,
Perhaps it might help if we boppers ALL wrote to him? Just a few of us writing doesn't seem to make a dent. Lisa? SGH? Jesse321? Comments?

[MetaRommie]

Heres an idea thats we won't really do but its fun to think about, okay this group has 1,237 members and there are even more than that just not everyone is on here anyway what if we all went to Cali and held a portest outside the WB studios? Plus people on the street would join in just for the hell of it.

[DrayvensCrow]

OK, How do we get those boppers who don't have jobs because they're too young out there? "Mom, can I borrow $400 for a plane ticket? Oh, and by the way, can you fly with me to a BOP protest?"

[AmericanEagle83]

Originally posted by MetaRommie
Heres an idea thats we won't really do but its fun to think about, okay this group has 1,237 members and there are even more than that just not everyone is on here anyway what if we all went to Cali and held a portest outside the WB studios? Plus people on the street would join in just for the hell of it. I live in Cali so you can count on me. I'll be there in a second! :D :D :D

[MetaRommie]

:)i wonder if we could actually do this?

[AmericanEagle83]

Why not? It's easy. Doesn't require much planning. We pick a date a time and whoever shows up, shows up. I will so be there.

[Kea]

Actually someone would also have to inform the media ahead of time. As well as make flyers and posters as well.

[AmericanEagle83]

That's still very easy. One of the easiest things we can do. Is anyone willing to make the trek? Cuz I'm only 8 hours away.

[BopRockMyWorld]

the comic idea is good and all but we can't be sending comics for a long time right? i like Eagle's idea of sending peanut butter jar to the wb. i say spend a couple of months sending comics and then another couple of months sending peanut butter. you know back and forth. just my opinion :)

[AmericanEagle83]

Originally posted by BopRockMyWorld
the comic idea is good and all but we can't be sending comics for a long time right? i like Eagle's idea of sending peanut butter jar to the wb. i say spend a couple of months sending comics and then another couple of months sending peanut butter. you know back and forth. just my opinion :) I knew I liked you! :D I say just do both at the same time. They're both affordable. I've always been in love with the peanut butter idea. I'm proud to say it was my brain child! :D

[Helena Fan]

Originally posted by DrayvensCrow
DOC,
Perhaps it might help if we boppers ALL wrote to him? Just a few of us writing doesn't seem to make a dent. Lisa? SGH? Jesse321? Comments?

I'd be willing to write to him. What should we say exactly?


Best wishes,

Scott

[MetaRommie]

Heres another one of my ideas thats not thought through: we could get companys like Burger King or Mickey D's to mention the Save the Birds of Prey Campaign in their commercials, how? I have no idea somebody else think this through for me my brain hurts...

[MetaRommie]

The Video Tape: This might cost a little bit of money but I think its a good idea and its basically thought through more than anyof my other idea's. We make a video tape and send it around to all of us and while he/she has the tape and a camcorder they provide themselves they go around getting people say, "Keep Birds of Prey Flying," And Finally After everyone has had a turn with the tape we send it into the WB.

The Tape Intro: ::revolution playing in the backround along with the voice over picture on the screen:: "Legend tells of Birds of Prey, Huntress, Oracle and Dinah together they fought to protect the weak and helpless of New Gotham but then Levin had to be a dumbass and cancel them, but New Gotham still needs protecting and we are the citizens who wan't a heroine's back"

[LisaM]

Regarding the peanut butter: The campaign is not sending peanut butter to anyone. If you want to do this yourself, be my guest. However, nobody will identify "peanut butter" with Birds of Prey. By sending Batman-related comic books, the execs will make the association between the comics and saving BOP.

[BopRockMyWorld]

yeah but like eagle said we could attach in the jar what helena said about peanut butter(dont remember the line). also we could send a letter along with the peanut butter jar.

metarommie: it will be cool if mcdonalds and burger king sell birds of prey action figures :D you know like they do with dragonballz and all those other toys. mcdonalds could sell (batman ,huntress, and batgirl toys)

[LisaM]

BopRockMyWorld: Be my guest...send in the peanut butter if you like. The campaign is sticking to comic books.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

The last time American Eagle posted the suggestion of the peanut butter, s/he asked to have the thread removed because s/he realized it was not a good idea and didn't want the thread to stay up.

My view is still the same. There are many homeless shelters that could use the food so I am not going to send it to the WB.

This campaign is COMIC CAMPAIGN and this is how it was recognized in the media. No one is stopping you from sending peanut butter but as Lisa said, this campaign is NOT supporting it. Also, that means you can't include the birdsofpreyonline.com name. If you send peanut butter, it is not part of the campaign and the bop online name does not support it.

There are a variety of things that have been suggested that are fully supported... wondering why no one is wanting to actually make those things happen... As we said, it takes work. When is someone going to step up and help turn these suggestions into actual plans? This would be more helpful then going back to a suggestion that has nothing to do with Birds Of Prey. Huntress mentioned peanut butter *once*...

[DOCMIDNITE]

Originally posted by Helena Fan
I'd be willing to write to him. What should we say exactly?


Best wishes,

Scott
HELENA FAN, DOCMIDNITE HERE. JUST WRITE OR E-MAIL WIZARD AT THE ADDRESS DRAVENSCROW PROVIDED IN HIS POST. BE RESPECTFUL AND JUST TELL THEM YOU UNDERSTAND THEY HAD A ARTICLE READY ON THE BIRDS OF PREY PRIOR TO ITS CANCELLATION. EXPLAIN YOU WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED IN SEEING IT AND THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE BOP ONLINE REVOLUTION TO BRING BACK THE SHOW. ASK THEM IF THEY COULD ASSIST US BY POSSIBLY RUNNING THE ARTICLE THEY HAVE AND INCORPORATING OUR CAMPAIGN. PROVIDE OUR WEBSITE AND I AM SURE LISAM COULD PROVIDE THEM WITH ANY PERTINENT INFO THEY MAY NEED THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE!!GOOD LUCK.