Catwoman returns

[Catwoman101]

Ok I didn't know where to exactly post this so I posted it here.
I have heard talk about the disappointing way catwoman died and according to some people they felt that there was something fishy about the way Selina Kyle died. Maybe it was the way they shot the scene or maybe there are a lot of catwoman fans who want her back alive, like me. :D
Anyway the point is that many people are saying that Catwoman isn't dead and that she might come back. This theory might come from the Batman Returns movie when Catwoman was thrown off buildings and shot a few times and survived through it all. Of course by the end of the movie she was left with only one life.
Since this site seems to know what's going on with the show and provides inside information and spoilers I thought that maybe someone here might of heard if Catwoman will in fact return. Of course it might be too soon to tell at the moment since the show just started.
If she does come back, could you imagine what a great story that would make? Will the Huntress stay with the Oracle or join her mother? I'm getting ahead myself. :D
Also You know how they show back flashes of Batgirl, well I was thinking if the show might do the same thing with Catwoman. This is probably the closest I'm going to get to seeing Catwoman in action on this show.
Thanks

[Bel]

Flashes of Catwoman are possible, there have already been some at the beginning of the 1st 2 episodes. But as for her being alive..... no, I don't think that'll happen.

[Veil]

I thought how it was weird during the premiere how there was already a crowd around Selina before Joker shot her. I don't know, just thought it was strange.

[Dingoes8MyBaby]

hmmmm...thats entirely possible. I wonder if we will see any other supervillains. Like Poison Ivy or Scarecrow. Most of them would be pretty old by now.

[Veil]

I think the first guy in the premier was the Scarecrow.

[Dingoes8MyBaby]

Maybe. I only know Catwoman's real name. I need to read up on the DC Universe.

[BeyondGotham]

Larry Ketterly is not the Scarecrow... his meta-human powers are somewhat like the Scarecrows..but they are diffrent...

[AndyPandy88]

Let me ask you... did Larry Ketterly kill Selina Kyle?? Then it would mean that Helena did get her revenge after all. I think he did, especially as that knife looked the same as the one that killed Selina. That would be an interesting twist actually... but no, Selina Kyle is dead and buried.

[Huntress23]

If they do try to put the classic villians in BoP the villians would be their children. you get what i am saying. They children of the villians want revenged for what happended to their parents. It would make sense b/c Batman put them in that psycho institute and they're old and frail.

[Veil]

I knew good ol' larry wasn't Scarecrow, just the New Gotham version of him. Personally, I thought he was sort of lame.

[HyperGear]

The DC universe is really weird, if I remember there was like 3 versions of Batgirl and Flash. If Catwomen does comeback its probably an alternate version of her.

[Ted]

I agree Larry was lame because he was such a pacifist. Those kinds of villains, unless they are really very smart about it (like Harley controlling the whole thing) just suck - and even Harley isn't afraid to kick ass, or forehead as it were.

The knife was not the same. Larry had a huge Arabian-style serated knife and the one that killed Selena was a small switchblade.

And the Joker didn't shoot Selena, a henchman of his stabbed her. Given they were walking through the city the 'crowd' was probably just other pedestrians who drew back to form a circle around the girl and her mom.

[Cassandra Cain]

Originally posted by Huntress23
If they do try to put the classic villians in BoP the villians would be their children. you get what i am saying. They children of the villians want revenged for what happended to their parents. It would make sense b/c Batman put them in that psycho institute and they're old and frail.

Not necessarily. It hasn't been <i>that</i> long in this universe. I mean, Batman would still be out there patrolling the rooftops were he in Gotham. And Harley is still young, Joker's at the Slab (or wherever they've put him in this show). I think the old villains would still be around.

[Hecate]

Though I like idea of the children of old Batman villians or other DC heroes it would be a shame to not use more of the real thing in the future. They would certainly not be too old as this is not set too far in the future--one of the Batman Beyond mistakes. Perhaps they want to parcel them out judiciously or use them prominently like Harley.

[Veil]

The kids of the old villains would propably only be about 8 or 9, sine Batman fled only 7 years ago.

[Cassandra Cain]

Originally posted by Hecate
They would certainly not be too old as this is not set too far in the future--one of the Batman Beyond mistakes.

(This is not a criticism, just not sure what you meant.)
Do you mean that Batman Beyond made a mistake making the villains old, or that it's a mistake to think that because this is set in a post-Batman time that the villains would be old?

[Hecate]

What I was trying to say is that Batman Beyond was set a little too far in the future to take advantage of the Rogues Gallery--the classic villians because they were either all too old or dead. Either that or they just didn't bother using them for one reason or another. I guess the idea was to make a more complete break with the past and I think that was a mistake. A whole lot of time used to be spent on boards discussing the animated series like Batman Beyond speculating on Whatever Happened to... different criminals and wishing they could have been seen again.

[Cassandra Cain]

Cool - thanks for clarifying! :) And yeah, the Joker gang thing lost a bit of the old Joker umph :)

[BoPRobinII]

It all depends on when you think the series is set. My personal BoP timeline has the series taking place in present day (2002), which means that classic Batman villains can appear. The major reason that I've set the series in present day is because it makes much more sense and because New Gotham doesn't seem all that futuristic. They have used the term 'A generation ago', but I've chosen to disregard that term because it doesn't make much sense anyway.

[AngelQueen]

On the subject of Batman Beyond, the writers did bring in a few old baddies from the earlier days. Bane made an appearance, though he was in absolutely NO shape to do anything to anyone. Mr. Freeze appeared, as did Ra's al Ghul, though he was in the body of his daughter, Talia, and they even made a movie out of the Joker's return.

So, we did get to see a few bad guys from Batman's golden years. And I rather liked having them sprinkled in there. But if anything, Batman Beyond was Terry's story about how he ascended to the mantle and how a double life can effect a teenager. It's slightly different for him than it was for Bruce... but that's getting off the subject.

Things did seem a little fishy with Selina's murder, but the way it happened and the reason she died does fit. Like Catwoman101 said, by the end of 'Batman Returns,' Selina had only one life left. Maybe that's why she stuck to the shadows of Gotham, watching Batman from a distance.

She managed to stay alive for a while and continued to run around Gotham, until she had Helena at least. Then Catwoman just kind of disappeared, I guess. She probably did so to protect both her daughter and Batman. If people like the Joker ever found out that Batman had a daughter, they'd all be in big trouble.

But, obviously, the Joker knew, at least, that there was a little something between Catwoman and Batman, which was probably why he sent a henchman to kill her. And this time, it worked. Selina was living on her last life, so that was it for her.

Just my two cents! :)

AQ

[Veil]

I agree,AQ, but I think BoP is following the comics more than anything else. I mean, the movies were pretty much a completely seperate storyline.

[Birds of Prey]

That would be so cool if she were to return, but it would be a little weird, IDK why!! I'd love to see it though.

[Hecate]

Two random Catwoman related points. In the unaired preview they referred to Selina Kyle as a businesswoman which is a more likely "secret identity" for serious thief Catwoman than the secretary alter ego to the whacked out destructive personality in Batman Returns (though I did like many things about the movie Catwoman). I hope they go with that. Also in the comics the two of them have been "involved" or at least interested in each other in both identities as Selina and Bruce and Batman and Catwoman, occasionally at the same time so it doesn't have to just be in non-costumed identities that they knew each other. That would be the reason the Joker would know to go after Catwoman who he knew to be Selina Kyle and thus hurt Batman.

[BoPRobinII]

For the purpose of my BoP timeline, I've gone with Selena being a secretary when she initially meets Bruce/Batman, with her later becoming a businesswoman following the birth of Helena and her retirement from a life of crime.

[Hecate]

Yes, I understand and I like a lot about your timeline except that detail. It's just that if Selina was "Queen of the Underworld" the businesswoman cover would be more likely before (and after) her reform. I think I just see a longer involvement with Batman/Bruce than you do and active as Catwoman in both good and bad versions for quite a while. Even if she started as a secretary that would have to be changed in short order. Though I do concede that if they're going with the fall out the window, licked by cats and brought back to life meta-human origin staying strictly with the movie then I guess she would have to have been a secretary at one time. Suppose I'll have to wait until they spell it out.

[SpiderGurl]

Does anyone know if there is a chance that Batman may come on. I know he not dead. But will he make an appearance. I think if the black Canary can make an appearance that Batman can, plus they also mad Reese the son of the Hawk family now why would they go do a thing like that.

[Elemental]

About the "generation ago": at the time Batman left, Helena was in her teens. Now she's in her twenties, and a lot has changed, so it's kind of a small generation. And also, it's a new generation of superheros...

[BoPRobinII]

I've basically chosen to ignore that "generation ago" thing, because it's too vague to base continuity around.

[Frostbite]

It's not really a generation, it's seven years.