Going SANE

[DBZ_EXP]

1. Does anyone know what happened to the woman "Joe Kerr"
was to marry in going sane?



2. Did he actually go sane , after all he kept having "episodes"?



3. Could he go sane again, and how?

[DrayvensCrow]

1.???

2.???

3.???

[DBZ_EXP]

There was a BATMAN four-parter called "Going Sane" where it started off with Joker bombing a neighborhood with tens, maybe hundreds, of families on a holiday after he had been gone for a while ( it was his homecoming )

So the police and the bat were both feeling pressure to capture Joker later in the comic joker and batman are fighting and Joker tries flying away with a back-pack Jet-Pack and I forget how exactly but batman has it. It blows up the joker is barely out of it and batman isn't getting up. Joker is just staring at his limp body and thinks the bat is dead ( I should mention it was the middle of winter and this happened at a river )
Bats body washed up in a nearby town where a woman helped him heal, it took six months. In the mean time Joker had stopped playing the role he had been playing since he was a child and became Joe Kerr. A normal guy, until the bat came back.

[DrayvensCrow]

Sorry about that!:p What I meant to say was: 1. no, 2. its possible, and 3. see #2. A tromatic experience either way triggers eps. like that.

[super85]

I haven't read that, but it sounds like an Elseworlds.

[DBZ_EXP]

Nope Super85 it was an actually story.

[DBZ_EXP]

Legends of the Dark Night, if memory serves. As previously mentioned, it was a four-parter.

[DBZ_EXP]

Knew question, an add on to number three, what would it take for him to go sane again?

[DrayvensCrow]

Working through the processes of his mind/tromatic event

[super85]

Ok now, If it was a story in Batman:Legends on the Dark Knight. Then it does not need to be in continuity, there are some LOTDK stories that are in continuity, and some that definetly are not, this one is probably NOT in continuity, but it sounds like a damn good read.Thats the great thing with LOTDK, they can write good stories but they dont need to think about the already messed up continuity of the other Bat-books. Ill maybe try to hunt it down since the subject sounds so interesting.

[Jesse321]

Actually ... pretty much everything in all the published Bat books, with the exception of Gotham Adventures, are in continuity.

Unless its and specifically marked Elseworlds .. its figured into continuity somewhere.

I doubt there is anything short of the verifiable death of Batman that would ever cause the joker to go sane again. Destroying and torturing Batman is the basis of the Joker neurosis. Remove the cause and there is the possibility of a cure.

This has been an argument covered in the Bat books for a long time most recently in the Murderer and Fugitive storylines ... would all these nutjobs come to Gotham if not to challendge Batman ... would they even have reason to exsist ... the debate still rages to this day.

[super85]

Jesse321

Denny O'Neill has stated several times that LOTDK isn't 100% continuity, for examples LOTDK #100 has a Robin Orgin story, but the OFFICIAL Robin origin is the one in Batman Year 3. Also Jeph Loebs graphic novels "The Long Halloween" and "Dark Victory"(that also features a Robin origin) arent fully in continuity, even if parts of them are(they dont have any elseworlds labels), and that they are great Bat-stories. How about Frank Millers DK2? that didn't have a Elseworlds label and that is not in continuity by any means.

[Jesse321]

Okay let me correct this ... monthly published Bat books .. I didn't mention anything about Mini-Series or Graphic Novels anywhere in my post did I ?

But right about your other point .. everyone knows that Jeph and Tim's graphic novels aren't in continuity .. thats why they are published as graphic novels rather than monthly books, they are stand alone stories. Same goes for Frank Miller's extremely dismal DKR and DK2, both of which most fans would rather forget ever exsisted. Its another of those unwritten DC rules.

Although ... I will go on record as saying .. I THINK emphasis on THINK .. I remember the Holiday killer being mentioned in one of the regular Bat books, though I can't remember which one right now. Weather that was a mistake or not I'm not really sure ... I guess even the guys at DC can get confused sometimes, lord knows we (the fans) do.

I have no idea what Denny O'Neil has or hasn't said, since I have never read it anywhere, I can only tell you what I have read and have talked about with other comics fans.

As to LOTDK ... your probably right ... since it's never been one of the books that I pay too much attention to unless there is a guest appearance by a charactor artist or writer that I happen to like ... but I will make a point of readin up some old back issues.


EDIT .... come to think of it the very title of the book LOTDK does indirectly imply that the stories told there are legends and as everyone knows not all legends are true .... I didn't think about that till just now ... sorry the paint fumes are getting to me ... I need a cheeseburger.

[super85]

Yep you got it right about Legends, I have a few of the very early ones from like 89 and 90 were they state the whole "Legends arent always true" thing. But about Frank Miller, everyone knows that the only Bat-story that he has written ,that is in continuity is Year One. And the fact that most people hated DK2 is one thing, but DKR is one of the best (regarded by fans and critcs) comicbook stories ever told, and I think its absolutly kickass. But Jeph Loebs stories like "Long Halloween" and "Dark Victory" not being in continuity isn't that crystal clear for everyone(I also remember the Holliday killer thing mentioned in the batbooks, your probably right). I personally count them in continuity since they are superior to Batman Year 2(year 2 is another book you can debate of beeing in continuity) and Batman Year 3. Ill think ill get a cheeseburger too.

[Jesse321]

Sorry .. Sups .. while I REALLY love Frank Millers run on DareDevil and Sin City .. I really didn't like either of his Dark Knight Projects .. and my sentiments are shadowed by alot of fans that I've personally talked to about them.

I know your right and they are regarded as some of his best work by critics and even some fans ... but then again ... alot of the time comicbook critics are like movie critics ... they like stuff that no one else likes.

I guess like everything else its just a matter of personal taste.

[DBZ_EXP]

has anyone read my question that opens this thread? Cause dray is the only one to answer.

[super85]

Jesse321

Yes I guess its al about personal taste, Im basicly a fan of everything Frank Miller has ever written and his work on Batman has hugely influenced later Bat-writers,on the other hand Frank said in an interwiev that he wasn't too happy with the Batman books that came after his DKR. Personally I think his best work is Batman:Year One.

[DBZ_EXP]

But what is your answer?

[Jesse321]

1) I have no idea .. I will have to look back and see if any mention was ever made of her since.

2) I guess technically not ... clinically speaking "the episodes" would mean that he was never fully "cured" ... but then again I doubt anyone would be fully cured of anything.

3) I don't think he could "go sane" anymore than an alcoholic could be cured of his alcoholism ... its the kind of thing your always in recovery with ... one bad flashback and your back to square 1. You could reach a level of functional sanity, but it would only take the "bad" situation to throw you over the edge again.

[DBZ_EXP]

thank you.