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Helena Kyle
10-23-2002, 07:08 PM
Please discuss your thoughts on this episode in here so that we can keep them all together :)

Cassandra Cain
10-23-2002, 09:05 PM
This was the best episode yet imo. Nice to have a break from the Harley Quinn stuff, though I'd like to see an ep with a non-meta villain.

I loved the homage to the old Batman tv show with the Shakespeare head in No Man's Land. Very cool.

I think the characters are really gelling in their roles - the acting was much better this ep I think.

Two gripes, though - #1 the cheesy-looking effect when Helena is jumping over the rooftops - so fake. And #2 Reese is a police detective. He isn't going to go down like that just being grazed in the arm. He would have been running after them imo

But I liked the interaction between the characters, and the theme of 'belonging' linking all the characters. To sum up, a pretty good ep :)

Senna Wales
10-23-2002, 09:06 PM
It kinda seems a lot like dark angel's "freak nation" ep. But I liked it none the less. :)

Aeryn Sun
10-23-2002, 09:20 PM
Okay, I gotta say it, I dislike Reese more every ep. What's up with him? I could take a hit better than him. He's spending the night in the hospital for a flesh wound to his arm??? Sorry, Reese fans, but I would rather he took the bullet in the heart and put me out of my misery.

The rest of the characters get better with every ep. Dinah was great, I loved the 'motherly' scene in the school with Barbara.

I liked seeing Helena embrace her meta half and the interaction with the other metas at No Mans Land was cool.

Missed Harley, but overall, I thought it was a good ep.

Raven Li
10-23-2002, 09:33 PM
I'm starting to love Reese more and more and more...I think this was a good eppy, but not the best it could be.

I liked how they were trying to realize who they really are. That storyline was very moving.

I think they need to work on the effects a bit more though.

bigguye7
10-23-2002, 10:01 PM
I liked the episode.The introduction of the meta bar no mans land is cool and it gives the producers a place to introduce new metahumans to us the viewers.It seems however that this series is resembling the x-men and the syndicated series mutant x.Not that I mind that but it might turn off some viewers.
As for the story,not bad.The plot was not very original and I wonder how long they are going to drag out this reese/huntress fight/make up plotline.Time to give it a little rest folks!I also could see the ending coming from a mile away with the metas from the bar standing up behind helena to stop him.Still it moved at a fast pace and was never boring.I really think its the little things like how barbra is mothering dinah(loved the scene at school were shes barbras brushing back dinahs hair in the hallway)and the little character moments which make the fans love the show.I mean come on how many fancy fight scenes in slow motion have we seen already in other shows.Its the chemistry between the three leads that is the best of all.By the way did anybody catch were the villian meta said he came from?Its bludhaven which is in the dc comics and where nightwing the former robin dick grayson now lives and works as a police officer in his secret identity.Hmmm...I wonder if thats where dick ended up on the show to.Well once again a good but rather predictable episode well directed by chris long whos also directed episodes of smallville.I grade it a solid B.

Harley's Boy
10-23-2002, 10:46 PM
The first two episodes were better than this one.

No Harley tonight!! What were the writers thinking?? :(

Crummy CGI when Helena is going roof to roof.
No Harley tonight!
Meta-human bar. Made me think of the demon bar in "Buffy".
No Harley tonight!
Reese in the hospital for a flesh wound. Gimme a break!!
No Harley tonight!
The Shakespeare head was cool.
No Harley tonight!
The Freak-of-the-week was kinda lame.
And..Uhh..Oh, yeah. Almost forgot. No Harley tonight!

LisaM
10-23-2002, 11:29 PM
I liked this episode a lot. My only complaint: not enough Barbara. So far, there is too much focus on the Huntress and not enough focus on Barbara as the head and brains of the team.

I like the relationships which are forming between Helena/Dinah and Barbara/Dinah. Continued character development, please.

Also...continuity screw up with Dinah's clothing during the High School scenes. From scene to scene, her clothing changed.

I'll definitely keep watching.

JustinX
10-24-2002, 12:12 AM
i liked the Bludhaven reference. i hope that nitewing makes it on sometime, and hope that nitestrike isnt him...

MijinII
10-24-2002, 12:53 AM
I really thought this episode was a step back from last weeks great episode. There were 2 major problems that I had with this ep, Number 1 The whole metahuman vs mankind debate was just way to X-Men for me. I understand that this is a fantasy/comic book show, and I can even live with Huntress being a metahuman herself but to have a whole city of them walking around is just matter of convience for the writers to establish the metavillain of the week formula.
Number 2 and I really think this was the reason why tonights epsiode missed the target was no Harley. In last weeks ep. she chewed up every scene that she was in, and if I remember correctly she was only in a couple. Mia has definetly got the character down to a certain a degree, and when she said Mister J, I lost it, very nice touch. I understand that Harley is going to be the Big Bad for the season, and she can not be in every ep. but if the writers can work in just for a few minutes to she what she is ploting for the following weeks ep. it would be well worth it.
The other great things that were great from "Slick" were the Bat refrences to the "Robins", and Alfred.
We need to hear, and see more of that. Maybe they can work in a Penguin cameo at his Iceberg Club, and not the Tim Burton version of Oswald, but the slick, manipulating, behind the scenes guy that always knows whats happenig on the street and Helena has to go to him to get information with Barbara objecting of course because of her knowledge of him as Batgirl...
The show does have potential and can have a long shelf life if chnages can be made.... This Batfan is hoping...

BatFan34
10-24-2002, 01:40 AM
First of all, I got to agree MijinII, this whole Metahuman/Mutant kick really does work in the batman universe. Sadly, I don't think it's going away anytime so. It's BOP anwer to Smallville's Kryptonite. It's the way BOP is going to explain all the superpowered villians.

The second thing that really bugged me was that Reese never heard of Batman. Batman was "Gotham's greatest champion" and Reese had never heard of him. God that's lame.

Ted
10-24-2002, 01:53 AM
Especially as a man who is convinced myth is the truth a few generations later. If he has this theory, don't you think he'd have done some research on the actual truth from years ago that he's blabbering about? Wouldn't there be an old unused floodlight on the top of the police building with the shape of a bat on it? I'd love to see him investigating that and the top of the building being locked off or something and finding it and turning it on... that's (in my opinion) a cool way to go about exploring backstory and the concept of this old legacy that's died out, not just showing some clips of Batman grabbing Catwoman.

Anyway, I've got loads more to say about this episode, which I'll do after I go make some new/fixed avatars for all of you, some news images for our site archive, and a bit of other site work. I'll be back to write a book.

Enchantress
10-24-2002, 02:04 AM
I thought that it was a pretty cool ep. It was great to see some more meta-humans and the guy from Felicity!!:p :p Anyway, can't wait until next week's ep!!!;) ;) Oh I forgot to mention that I loved the song at the end of the ep!! "Anything but Ordinary"by Avril Lavinge. I think that it was the perfect song to end with!!

jinnyb
10-24-2002, 02:30 AM
yeah i loved this show last week and it was good this week,
but too much huntress and not enough barbara and dinah
I liked the school scenes a lot, but they dropped the ball and left you hanging with the great story line there.
Dinah gets caught at the bar ,then nothing, not even a one liner in the sum up at the end, Barbara seemed pretty mad at her and then nothing, not even a corny tort from teenage dinah, now hours later there going back?
they must have made some bad cuts - hence the outfit thing w/ dinah and the dangling plot.

they should have had more school, dinah, barbara and less reese talking on and on to the bad guy.

hopefully next week. I'll be there:D

SentinelJosh
10-24-2002, 04:35 AM
Personally, I think the episode had some good points, and I don't mind the metahuman bar. But I didn't like the metahuman killer that copied powers and used them. I think not only is that like the marvel Mutant X show that is nothing like it's comic book, but it is like certain X-men characters. I do not want to see this show turn into another Buffy. By the way, is anybody here familiar with these BoP characters in the comics? Is there a thread for that? There is a lot of changing of characters. BTW, huntress doesn't wear a mask(i know some DC characters didn't), but how come she isn't recognized when she just changes her clothes? Why do they call the city New Gotham instead of Gotham City?

HarleyQ
10-24-2002, 06:02 AM
Well, it was Avril Lavigne's song that ended it, so it gets bonus points (I'm an Avril junkie)!
But there was NO HARLEY! What's wrong with these people? Gah. I have the same views as most of the above -
1. Reese is wimpy. Just a little.
2. HARLEY! We need more HARLEY!
3. Who in preschool did that CGI?
4. Not enough Barbara (though the thing with Wade's parents was kind of cool, if not sad).
5. Too many metahumans. Harley Quinn is not a metahuman. Neither is Barbara Gordon, or Reese, but I think they're the only ones in New Gotham that aren't.
6. How did Dinah change her clothes four times in one day - and once on the way to the bar?

But it was a cool episode nontheless. I love all the characters (even though Dinah is kind of lame) and I love how they're developing. Let's just hope, as said above, it doesn't turn into Sappy the Real World Problem Solver aka Buffy. :)

Cassandra Cain
10-24-2002, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by SentinelJosh
By the way, is anybody here familiar with these BoP characters in the comics? Is there a thread for that? There is a lot of changing of characters. BTW, huntress doesn't wear a mask(i know some DC characters didn't), but how come she isn't recognized when she just changes her clothes? Why do they call the city New Gotham instead of Gotham City?

Oh yeah they totally changed the characters. Huntress on the show seems like Dinah's book character to me. And obviously, in the BOP comics it's the new Huntress not Helena Kyle. And Dinah is nothing like the character on the show. And Babs has a much bigger role in the books. IMO what they should have done was have Oracle, with Dinah in the 'Huntress' same-age-as-Barbara role, then have the teenage junior superhero be the new Batgirl (Cassandra Cain). They could have had a Huntress character guest star every once in a while. That would have made it truer to the comics. But I guess they wanted to tap into the whole 'Batman's daughter' thing.

And I agree - like Reese couldn't find out who she is?

As for New Gotham, I know I read the reason for it somewhere but I'm not remembering. Perhaps it's to signify post-No Man's Land Gotham? It doesn't come from the comics I don't believe (not that I remember anyway).

Something else (small) that bothered me about the ep. If No Man's Land is for metas only, then how can Babs go there?

Jezebelle
10-24-2002, 07:51 AM
I agree with JustinX the "Bludhaven" reference was great. I love continuity! I liked the new Meta-human who works/hangs out at the bar....(can't recall his name...) He's funny and sincere, if not a bit of a social reject! Yeah social rejects! Any. I liked this episode cause it showed a soft spot on Helena, (yes you can hurt her feelings, not just make her mad..) And it fleshed out the New Gotham world a bit. As for there anot being enough Barabra and Dinah, I bet you anything there will be!!

Oh....SentinalJosh? I think it's called "New Gotham" cause it takes place after the whole "No Man's" and Debaucle. More Continuity!!

Batwoman
10-24-2002, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Cassandra Cain
This was the best episode yet imo. Nice to have a break from the Harley Quinn stuff, though I'd like to see an ep with a non-meta villain.


Reese is a police detective. He isn't going to go down like that just being grazed in the arm. He would have been running after them imo
:)
I totally agree about the lack of Harley being a refreshing break. Also when Reese got grazed....geez what a wimp! I mean he acted like he was shot in the heart instead of just the arm. Okay maybe it did hurt a lot but he should've run after him. I also liked it when Helena said...."When we first met, you asked me who I was. Last night, you asked me what I was. I'm not gonna tell you my name. You haven't earned it." Oooh nice burn!:fight:

birdsofpreyfan
10-24-2002, 10:36 AM
I totally loved this episode. It was awesome. But, right near the end my channel went out! The last part I saw was when Helena was at the hospital and told Reese that she healed fast. If anyone could give a summary of the rest of the episode, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks! This show rules!!

Hecate
10-24-2002, 10:41 AM
I think I enjoyed this episode more than the last one personally. I love all the little insider comic book bits-- mention of Bludhaven, No Man's Land collectables, and best of all the use of the Shakespeare bust from the old Batman TV show to get into the meta-human bar. Tthought it was great how they slipped that in there.
As a part of the overall DCU the metas are an interesting addition here--I hope they won't continue to overlook the more traditional Batman style villians! --But I like them just fine see that they're just trying to get the concept of metas established--It was after all only the third episode. I like the idea of the gathering place for them and couldn't care less if they do something similar on Buffy which I don't watch. I wish people wouldn't toss charges of "rip-off" around so freely. It's often about something that doesn't matter like the bar (guess they could have gone with a coffee shop but what would that rip-off Smallville or Friends) or are just wrong about the original source of an idea or super power anyway.
I like the way they've worked in the super-powered folks so far. The little tweeks to the bad cop's Rogue-like absorption power made it work to me. I have no problem with variations on powers of known Marvel or DC heroes--they've been reworking stuff for years what's wrong with TV writers doing the same thing? And I did like the guy who ran the bar with his fairly useless ability.

Dark Phoenix II
10-24-2002, 11:22 AM
I thought it was great ep...Dinah needs to kick more ass, though. I'd like to her use more of her powers...

We also lacked a lot of Barbara.

I had the MotW (Meta of the Week) figured out within the first 15 minutes. But I wasn't expecting the ending where all the Metas gave the dude one giant migraine by ganging up on him.

The acting *was* much better...I really like this show. It has a lot of potential. I hope they keep it.

Cassandra Cain
10-24-2002, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Batwoman
Okay maybe it did hurt a lot but he should've run after him. I also liked it when Helena said...."When we first met, you asked me who I was. Last night, you asked me what I was. I'm not gonna tell you my name. You haven't earned it." Oooh nice burn!:fight:

And you know, this is tv. Yeah, getting shot hurts. But on tv, the good guy always sucks it up and keeps going.

Totally agree about that line from Helena - very good. :)

Originally posted by birdsofpreyfan
I totally loved this episode. It was awesome. But, right near the end my channel went out! The last part I saw was when Helena was at the hospital and told Reese that she healed fast. If anyone could give a summary of the rest of the episode, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks! This show rules!!

Basically, from what I remember, they were talking about judging people by the group they're in. Helena says that sure there are a lot of meta criminals in Gotham, but that's because there are a lot of criminals in Gotham. Also she says that all meta's aren't bad, the same way all cops aren't good. And I think she threw in a comment about metas being just people like everyone else. Then Reese goes into this "Why can't you just tell me your name?" thing, and then Helena says the above quote. Reese also tells her that he didn't believe she'd killed his partner, but that he could believe that she'd beat him to a bloody pulp. lol

Then I think it cut to the three girls on the rooftop of the Clocktower. Dinah asks how Babs' date when, and she says it was a disaster or something, and then they all decide to go down to the bar together.

Heather
10-24-2002, 03:09 PM
I loved this episode. I love X-MEN so the whole metahuman thing didn't bother me a bit. I thought it was actually better than last weeks because of the development between Reese and Helena. I like how she said "I won't tell you my name...you haven't earned it." That was good. And the other part where she said, "The first time we met, you asked me who I was, but the other night, you asked what I was." That's my fave quote. You could just see the hurt when he said, "metathing"

I give this an A!!:D :D

birdsofpreyfan
10-24-2002, 04:40 PM
Thanks Cassandra Cain! You're the best!

Where's Bruce?
10-24-2002, 07:01 PM
3 episodes in and I am hooked. My only gripe is NO ONE KNOWS OF BATMAN???? I can not see Gotham City not remembering the Dark Knight, even as an Urban Legend, but Reese not knowing for criminy sake? Don't get me wrong I love the show, I find the characters and look to fit right in to the world of Tim Burton's Batman, which is how Batman should look dark and moody. Oh by the way where does Helena get her meta half was catwoman a Meta???

Heather
10-24-2002, 07:55 PM
Some of you people are crazy. No offense, but if a bullet hit you on the arm, I don't think any of you guys would be running over to the bad guy. I know it's tv and they usually get up, it's more realistic that way. I do think though that staying in the hospital one night is two much. They probably would have bandaged his arm, have the doctor check it out and then he was out of there.

LisaM
10-24-2002, 09:40 PM
I have a question: When Helena first showed up at the bar, Gibson called her "Huntress". Later on, he watched as Barbara spoke to Helena over her earpiece. Is it common knowledge among the metas that Helena is Huntress, the crimefighter? I thought it was supposed to be a big secret.

Cassandra Cain
10-25-2002, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Heather
Some of you people are crazy. No offense, but if a bullet hit you on the arm, I don't think any of you guys would be running over to the bad guy. I know it's tv and they usually get up, it's more realistic that way. I do think though that staying in the hospital one night is two much. They probably would have bandaged his arm, have the doctor check it out and then he was out of there.

The adrenaline probably would enable you to get up after being shot in the arm, though.

Ted
10-25-2002, 12:54 PM
It's probably not common knowledge - but then, Gibson and Frosty weren't criminals, they were friends of Helena's. I'm sure meta criminals in the city don't really know who she is, nor do regular criminals, but I'm also pretty sure that not every meta frequents that bar. But given Gibson has the power to recall every physical sensation he has (everything he sees, smells, hears, tastes, feels, he remembers), he's like a walking database of meta info - a human version of Oracle's computer system. He's the guy who always knows what's going on in the meta community, apparently - so there's no way Huntress and Oracle wouldn't hit him up for information when they need it. That's probably why Barbara wasn't thrown out of the bar, because she's Helena's friend.

As for the shot in the arm thing, I don't think it was too off-base that he went down after being shot - it was pretty close range and seemed more than a mere graze. But I agree that he would've gotten back up at *some* point that evening and gone after her and Morton, especially as the dude had decieved him and was trying to kill the girl he likes. But they had to get him out of the way because there's no way they could have him interacting with Oracle, Dinah and Gibson and the other metas. So they used a somewhat implausible out for him.

And the stay in the hospital? Unless he's a hemophobe and passed out at the sight of his wound and then bled for a really long time in the street, I seriously doubt he would've needed an overnight stay. ;)

Bel
10-25-2002, 05:46 PM
Very cool episode, specially with all the other metahumans and a metahuman villain who is just trying to be "normal." Though in a homicidal, insane way :)

Interesting way of ending, with the will she/won't she kill him, before he finally dies. I wonder if there will be any guilt about that? If not from Helena, then from Dinah. She is still a kid after all...

And as for Reese...he's got lots of questions now. But he's gotta earn some trust again. Oooh, tough. But he does know a lot about metahumans now, could be interesting how he acts on that later.

Oh yeah, cool fight scenes. And the bar is nice too :) My only complaint..... too little Alfred?? :( And if they start every episode with that "Batman and Catwoman..." stuff, it's gonna get annoying. I hope they drop it.

huntressearth2
10-25-2002, 05:51 PM
I loved this episode. I liked the Shakespeare head and the secret door - what an homage to the old Batman series. I love the intensity of the show. It is dark and Gothic - just like the Batman atmosphere. Love the special effects - shades of Xena!!

Silver Huntress
10-26-2002, 02:30 AM
Who feels like their watching a video game when Huntress jumps from rooftop to rooftop?

Who else wants to slap Wade's Parents?:fume:

I love Motherly Barbara. The intro to No Man's Land and Meta-Humans who aren't out to take over the world was cool.

Go Barbara with the whole...Tell me where you are so I can come help kick his ass thing.

Reese finally got a name out the girl...Wonder how long it will take to get Helena out of her.

Oh and Reese never heard of Batman umm sure

Dinah Lance
10-26-2002, 03:49 PM
This eppy was really good in my opinion, the fight scenes were awesome. I love seeing the Huntress in action especially when she is ticked off.

Poor Dinah. :( High school definitely can suck sometimes. I hope she makes some friends in future episodes.

Originally posted by Silver Huntress
Who else wants to slap Wade's Parents?:fume:

Me! Me! Me! Who cares whether or not she can walk? She is such a nice person, something must be wrong with them if all they focus on is her being able to walk.

jinnyb
10-26-2002, 04:45 PM
is it me or did they cut that great storyline with dinah and school really baddly. they should have cut some of the poorly generated rooftop scences for a better conclusion of it . I mean barbara catches her in the bar is really mad then nothing. They could have at least copped out and made it seem as though Huntress had interuppted them in distress. the mother/daughter , and sisters relationship is what makes this show different.


she will make a friend - there is a girl with blonde curls they keep putting the camera on during the zipper girl scenes

jinnyb
10-26-2002, 04:51 PM
ps. take a look at dinah's magic outfit, you can tell they were in a hurray to edit this one :)

Psychic Oracle
10-26-2002, 06:18 PM
All in all, I really enjoyed this ep. Huntress and Reese did have a great sequence of events, from her finally giving him some information, to her informing him that he won't get more because he doesn't deserve it. I enjoyed the Wade/Barbara interaction at the beginning, and the final battle with the "meta"s at the end.

I do enjoy the Mother/Daughter relationship between Barbara and Dinah, and the almost sister-relationship between Barbara and Helena, and Helena and Dinah. I enjoy those relationships in all of my shows, it defines the characters. In Charmed, we've got Piper, Phoebe, and Paige, the sisters, the family. In BoP we've got Barbara, Helena, and Dinah, the new family. It's a good part of the show, and I really hope they continue exploring it.

Now, the bad guy. I thought it was interesting. But I really thought Helena had some strange split-personality thing, hating the Meta-part of her body first, and then embracing it with almost no time in between. Yes, I can see why she would embrace that part of her life, her Mother's life, more than her father, but at the same time... it was a little sudden. Effective, yes, but sudden.

I am looking foreword to next week! I really am. I like this show a lot, even though I feel that we need to offer the writers and producers some constructive criticism. Explore the relationships between the women more, action is good, but not essential for an episode. There have been many episodes of other series that have been fantastic when they soley work to explore the relationships between the stars.

All in all, a good episode. Exploration of Dinah's insecurities, Helena's life, and Barbara's relationship with both. Not too bad for a series in it's first season.

Edited to add: Although it looks like Metas don't particularly like sharing information with Barbara, they have no quams about letting her into No Man's Land. That's an interesting twist for the character.

And... my favorite sequence:

Dinah - "No Man's Land? Are there Metas there? Can I go?"
Barbara - "On 4th Street, Yes, and Not on a school night."

jinnyb
10-26-2002, 06:52 PM
that whole scquence in front of the computer is pretty great, it gets the mystery out and shows the relation ships with each other the characters have.
it a well pace sequence. though they did say meta a lot.:)
Helena- yeah just west of the magic kingdom.
Dinah- ha ha
(watch her face I sweare I've given my sister the smae look)

Psychic Oracle
10-26-2002, 09:42 PM
I honestly related to Oracle so much in that scene. I'm the eldest in my group of friends, and it's so like that to be the one who is the most... balanced. Plus, I'm like the parent of the group... which is unfortunate because that inhibits the amount of fun I let myself have.

Jinnyb, I pictured that exact same look when I remember conversations with my baby brother. He gives that look to me all the time.

jinnyb
10-26-2002, 09:51 PM
other good quotes
from "slick"
Helena- "I use to lie to you all the time, only I was better at it.
Barbara -"not that much better."

from prey
Dinah- barbara you're channeling June Cleaver."

Helena- "It's high school, the closet thing we have to institutional torture"

AngelQueen
10-26-2002, 09:57 PM
I rather liked this episode as well. Like all shows, it had its good points and it's bad ones as well.

Wade/Barbara scene: That was so adorable! Wade's line about Barbara imitating a dear caught in headlights was funny! :D I'm just sad that they didn't have a small scene dealing with that date. Of course, I practically cried when Barbara revealed that she'd heard Wade's mother saying that she wasn't 'normal' enough for her son. I mean, how cruel can people get?!

Barbara/Dinah: I was giggling by the end of this scene! It was so sweet! Barbara playing the doting mother, almost unconsciously, while Dinah being the embarrassed daughter. And you know, this has long-reaching repercussions, considering the events of the future episode, 'Sins of the Mother.'

Barbara/Helena: These two are great with one another! Their relationship is extremely complex. They banter/bicker with the ease of people who have had long practice and are comfortable with one another. But when they disagree... *winces* It can really pull at the heartstrings. But you can see that the two really care for one another. Heck, we see that in one form or another in every episode! In the pilot, Barbara rushes to Ketterly's house to save Helena, and Helena clings to Barbara inside her mind. In 'Slick,' you can hear how worried Barbara sounds when Slick starts drowning Huntress by the pool with Reese watching like an idiot. *smacks Reese on the back of the head* Then, this week, Helena's willing to let herself die to save her people from Morton and Barbara is demanding to know where she is so she can help! It's obvious that they care!

Dinah/Helena: Their relationship is growing nicely. Helena is obviously letting Dinah past her defenses. Though she is majorly mad at Dinah for skipping, she is concerned that something happened to get Dinah to skip (which would bring down Barbara's wrath and start an entirely different chain of events, etc.).

Reese/Huntress: *shakes head and grins cheesily* Okay, they've had their first real fight. *chuckles* Reese got what he deserved in the hospital scene. Huntress saves his life and he repays her by calling her a 'thing' and implying that she deserves to die because she was different. He pulled a gun on her, for goodness's sake! Huntress' line, "The first time we met, you asked me 'who' I was. Last night you asked me 'what' I was. I won't tell you my name. You haven't earned it,' brought tears to my eyes. Though he deserved that, you could hear the genuine hurt in her voice. *hits Reese on the back of the head again* What *were* you thinking?!

Reese's wounding: Okay, I'm no expert on the pain of getting shot, thank goodness. I can imagine that it hurt like heck, so I wasn't surprised that he went down. But he didn't just drop like a sack of grain. He was on his knees, but still coherent. He watched as Huntress and Morton took off. But I agree on the staying overnight thing. Unless he was hit in the bone, which I doubt, he should have been patched up and sent back out.

Harley Quinn: She's a great character and I like having her be the major bad girl here, but I wouldn't want to have to deal with her every episode. Having her come up with some diabolical scheme every week and having the girls stop her would get a little tiresome and boring after a while.

Meta-human vs. human thing: This just shows how people who are different are treated. We see it everyday. It ties in with everyday life, and in the show we see different versions of it. Dinah having trouble fitting in at school, Wade's mothers' comment about Barbara not being normal enough *glares at Wade's mom*, and Huntress' apparent conflict with being of two different worlds are all different aspects of this. It is what defines the background of the episode.

My nit-picks: They left so many threads untied! Dinah's problems at school, for one. We did see the curly-haired blond kind of tell Miss Personality to lay off, after all. I hope we get to see more of her and see if she develops a friendship with Dinah. Then there was the Wade/Wade's parents/Barbara triangle. Helena was right about one thing: Wade's parents, or at least his mother, are narrow-minded jerks. What was Wade's reaction to his mother's words? Did he just ignore it, or did he get really upset? He seems to really like Barbara, so I'd imagine the latter.

Like I said, a good episode. It had it's good points and bad points. The writers are only human after all.

AQ

Aeryn Sun
10-27-2002, 06:17 PM
Okay, as a former army medic and Gulf War veteran, I say once again, Reese is about the biggest wimp on the face of the earth.
I've seen people(in real life)hit worse and not go down at all. When your job is to get the bad guys, if you're worth anything, you don't let a flesh wound on your arm stop you for even a second, you just suck it up and drive on.

Montana Magic
10-27-2002, 06:19 PM
Okay, I loved this episode. But I can't wait for the next one. I'm horribly obsessed with Riley Smith. Anyway, did Dinah's outfit change between school and the bar? Or was I just halucinating?

Helena Kyle
10-27-2002, 06:37 PM
You weren't hallucinating, I am beginning to think there is a flaw in the whole meta-human one power thing because she seems to have the ability to switch clothes every few minutes at will ;)

Edited to add : As for Riley, I added an avatar for you until we get some caps from the episode :D

Montana Magic
10-27-2002, 07:06 PM
Thanks, you're awesome.

EKATZ
01-23-2003, 06:17 PM
We may still read the official description and see the pictures over at http://www.thewb.com/Shows/Episode/0,8201,||1113,00.html.

Frostbite
01-23-2003, 06:20 PM
STOP SPAMMING THE BOARD WITH WHERE WE CAN READ THE OFFICIAL DESCRIPTION, EKATZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!