JLA / Avengers

[Jesse321]

Issue # 1 was released today !!! The art is PHOENOMINAL !!! but then again I wouldn't expect anything less from George Perez .. and he has been waiting to do this book for 20 years !!

I even bought two books just to keep one copy in absolutel mint so I can get it signed by Perez at one of his many convention appearences.

I'm going to read it tonight and will post more on it in the morning, but needless to say I'm expecting it to be a great read !!

[DBZ_EXP]

Normally I would get my comics next fri., but the check will be extremely small. Therefor I will be waiting another two weeks for the next check to pick up my comics, including this crossover. So please NO SPOILING without warning.

Also can anyone tell me who is on the Avengers right now, I am most a DC guy.

[Jesse321]

By the end of the mini series .. your going to see everyone and I mean EVERYONE that was ever in either the JLA or the Avengers.

But right now they are using:

Captain America
Thor
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Iron Man
Hawkeye

[DBZ_EXP]

WOW, I actually know of 5 of the 7. I think I know the other two, but am not sure. The Two I don't know are Vision & Quicksilver, who are they?

[Jesse321]

Vision is the Android that was married to Wanda (The Scarlet Witch) ... he has the ability to change his density to either become intangable or as solid as a diamond .. he also has a solar gem in his forhead that can blasts beams of force (solar energy if I'm not mistaken) ...Quicksilver is Wanda's brother Pietro who has the mutant ability of super speed ... sort of a Marvel version of the Flash.

There were also appearences by

Warbird
She-Hulk
Jack of Hearts
Triathalon
Wasp
Yellow Jacket
The Grand Master
The Watcher

And several others.

[DBZ_EXP]

Yeah, I knew the quicksilver one, I just forgot. And Vision I have heard of before, but that is all. You know if those solar blasts are used on superman he will just power up, who is gussing Vision will try to finish off Sups with them.

[Jesse321]

Not necessarily D ... the solar blasts are similar to a laser blast .. Superman absorbs ambiant sunlight which he converts into raw strength ... but laser by nature a condensed channeled forms of light which which Superman can't entirely absorb.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

where's the JLA?

[Jesse321]

Everyone knows the the JLA so it seemed redundant to list them ... and as I stated before these are only the first set of charactors that they are using, by the end of the series everyone who was in either group is going to appear .. its something that George Perez always wanted to do.

Okay I read the book an here is the basic premise so far ... without giving away any spoilers:

The rift between the Marvel Universe and the DC Universe is breaking down and both teams are traveling to each others dimensions in an effort to collect items of power from each respective universe. The GrandMaster and Metron have set the heros up on the chase for the items, but there is something else going on in the backgourd that hasn't been explained yet.

I'm wondering if this books is going to be considered into continuity for either or both companies or if (like the others before them) are going to be considered as "Elseworlds" project after they are done ... WITHOUT GIVING AWAY WHO ... there are two universes (and SEVERAL VERY WELL known charactors in each)which are prominante to both companies, that bite the dust .

[Red Mask]

Back during the original attempt, George Perez and his co-workers intended to have characters get killed. I forgot who they were, but Rob Liefield bought the original storyboards from Perez years ago.

[Jesse321]

I think they got what they wanted this time around .. though I don't really know if this is actually happening in continuity.

[DBZ_EXP]

Actually, you are right. That is about the laser, but you are the one how said that the beam Vision uses is solar energy. So it is likely, in my opinion that it is solar energy from yellow sun(s) which would power up sups.


Also supermans Lasers, heat vision, whatever you want to call it, is concetrated Red sunlight which is a byproduct of absorbing the yellow sunlight. Just thought I'd mention it, it was a similar topic as the conversation.

[Impulse]

Quicksilver is cool, I'm a fan of all the speedsters. I'll pick it up next week, along with BoP #58 and Teen Titans #2.

[DBZ_EXP]

Yeah, how fast can quicksilver go, that is compared to the flash?

[Red Mask]

Flash is much faster because he can now tap into the Speed Force, the source of all speedsters' power in his world. That's enabled him to even travel through time. But since Quicksilver was exposed to the High Evolutionary's Isotope X he can now go much faster. How fast is yet to be determined.

[Jesse321]

The Pre-Crisis Flash could theortically attain the speed of light, thought that couldn't happen in a planetary atmosphere.

Quicksilver could never go that fast .. I'm pretty sure his limit was just above the sound barrier .. but I will check and get back to you on it.

EDIT - Here is what I found in the Marvel Directory ... please keep in mind I think that this is BEFORE his exposure to the High Evolutionary's isotope.

Quicksilver has been timed at speeds of up to 175 miles per hour, approximately three times faster than the fastest land animal, the cheetah. He has sufficient energy reserves to enable him to run at this average speed for about four hours, whereupon he must reduce his speed, replenish his body's store of energy, or do both.

Quicksilver has used his powers of acceleration for various feats. He has plucked an arrow out of the air from a standing start, after the arrow left the bow and traveled a distance of about 20 feet. He has dodged machine gun fire, but presumably he was able to see the path of the bullets change as his assailant was attempting to track him with a burst. He has created cyclone-like gusts of wind, which are able to knock a man off his feet, by racing around in a ten-foot diameter circle. With a 500-foot approach to gain momentum, Quicksilver can run approximately 300 feet up the side of a surface with a 90-degree inclination (such as a building) before gravity overtakes him. With a 100-foot approach to gain momentum, he can run across a body of water for approximately 1000 feet before beginning to sink.

If this information is current and correct .. Flash would be way faster.

[Frostbite]

Also, I remember during a DC/Marvel crossover the two had a race, and the Flash won.

[Jesse321]

That corssover definately took place prior to Pietro's exposure. since the last Marvel DC crossover involving the Flash (at least that I recall) took place quite some time ago.

[Frostbite]

Marvel VS DC. March 1996.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/marvel-dc.html

[Jesse321]

And when did Pietro's exposure take place ?

[Red Mask]

It was after the Onslaught incident. Quicksilver had his own mini-series where he was asked to be a leader of the High Evolutionary's Animal Men. During that time he got exposed to the Isotope X, which later was seen as a Holy Grail in curing the Legacy Virus. Needless to say the bad guys didn't get their hands on it. Pietro discovered his powers were increased, but it's yet to be determined what are his limits now. In one Avengers story, almost years ago, he destroyed his boots and burned his feet from crossing the Atlantic Ocean too quickly. He wasn't as quick as the Flash, but he was carrying somebody (Bruce Banner?) and his costume wasn't used to that much force. Zip!

[Jesse321]

Okay if thats the case then the situation with Flash and Quicksilver may not turn out the same this time around ... though Flash can't use his powers in the Marvel Universe because there is no "speed force" for him to tap into.

[Red Mask]

We won't really know for sure until the story progresses. They might later claim that every universe has a "Speed Force". Although some writers claim Wally's Speed Force is part of the Source itself in the DC universe. It's become very convoluted since they've used it to explain lots of things, like why Wally's costume never wears out at faster speeds, why his muscles don't suffer from fatigue, and how he has no intertia when making sudden stops. It must be magic. :shrug:

[Jesse321]

Well in the first issue Wally aleady tried to use his powers there and they didn't work which is why he didn't want to acompany the rest of the JL back there, when they went and retreived the Nullifier.

The Speed Force is a supernatural power which is why the normal laws of momentum and interia don't apply to Flash, I'm also assuming that like Superman the Flash's body or the speed force itself emites or creates an aura around his costume that protects it, as opposed to Quicksilver who's power comes from within him.

[Red Mask]

This is why I love Marvel more. Even though their science isn't realistic, it explains better without copping out to magic. So I hope the JLA destroy themselves with the Nullifier. It makes me feel better knowing those bungholes have it in their universe than the Avengers'.

[Jesse321]

I used to like Marvel more but that was YEARS ago when they actually allowed thier writers and artists to be more creative ... which is slowly starting to happen again.

Just cause they hvae the nuliffier now doesn't mean they are going to keep it.

[Red Mask]

I can dream can't I?:D

"So Bruce," says Superman, "How does this thing work?".
"It's elementary, Clark," says Batman,"You point and press the trigger".

BOOM

[Jesse321]

Well the secret of the Ultimate Nullifier is that it nullfies the target as well as the weilder ... so anyone that would use it would also sacrafice him or herself.

[Red Mask]

I know. That's why I'm hoping they use it in the DC universe. Ho ho ho!

[Jesse321]

I wonder if the nullifier would even work in the DC Universe ?

[Red Mask]

Can't you let me dream for a while, Jesse? Can't you dream a little dream with me?

[Jesse321]

NO .. I happen to like DC better than Marvel, so if anyone is going to get blown up or Nullified (as long as its not the X-Men) I would rather it be on the Marvel side.

[Red Mask]

Well, I'm gonna dream as long as I can.

"When Captain America throws his mighty shield...".:)

[Jesse321]

LOL .. and Superman melts it with his Heat Vision ... or Firestorm transmutes it into a frizbee !!!

[Red Mask]

Don't you recognize the lyrics to the Captain America cartoons?

[Jesse321]

Good Lord, even as a kid I felt so sorry for the poor saps that had to actually sing that garbage.

[Red Mask]

Yeah, but it's one of those songs which get stuck in your head.:hmm:

Personally, I liked the Spider-Man song better. It was just too funky to ignore.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

O.K, time to bring this topic back. I heard that Thor already broke Sups back! Is that true?

[Jesse321]

No

[Red Mask]

But he did make him bleed. I'm so happy the Comics Code is no longer enforced.

[Jesse321]

Well Thor is a mystical charactor and Sups is suseptable to magic, so it stands to reason.

[Red Mask]

I haven't read part 2 yet. But I hope none of the Avengers come up with a kryptonite weapon of some sort. How would they know about that weakness anyway? And where would they get kryptonite?

[Jesse321]

No, they don't come up with a K weapon at least not so far anyway. At the end of issue 2 both teams know they are being used so you see the team up starting to form.

LOVED the fight panels with Cap and Bats, the way that they figured out that they could take one another ... WAY COOL !!!

[Red Mask]

Thanks for the light spoilers. But now that this story has finally come, I hope this will end the 'DC vs. Marvel' obsession. It was fun to talk about. But what good is there in superheroes fighting other superheroes? Remember the image of the snake that swallows it's own tail? This DC/Marvel conflict is like two big serpents eating the other's tail.

[Jesse321]

LOL now your asking for too much, that rivialry has been going on for decades and even though it really wasn't created by either company, but by the fans themselves, I doubt it will be that easily resolved. The fact that this book took 20 years to finally see print proves that.

[Red Mask]

:) I really like Busiek's and Perez's take on this confrontation. I love what past work I've been able to get my hands on. After getting a peek at the second part, I realize they must be showing their own view at this rivalry. Have you noticed that after one character beats another, someone else beats him or her, and the process keeps going on? It's an endless cycle that's almost farcical.

[Jesse321]

I think thats what they were going for, at least in the start of the book.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Is CAPS the only one BAT's fights? I wish they'd stop making it seem like Bat's can only fight human super heros. On a jla/avengers site they showed a page in the second issue were he tried to kick Vision but he went right through him. His face looked so funny.lol

Who does WW fight?

Do they only have the big battle in the 2nd issue, or do they fight in issue# 1 too?

[Jesse321]

WW fights Hercules, and by the way Cap isn't human, well he is human but he was enhance by the Super Soldier serum.

The battle in issue 2 a conitnuation of theo ne started in issue 1.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

WW does'nt fight Hulk girl? Who does Huntress and Black Canary fight?

[Jesse321]

You mean She-Hulk, and no not yet, Black Canary and Huntress haven't appeared yet.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

WHAT!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!
She's(Black Canary) on the 2nd issue cover for goodness sake

[Jesse321]

Okay then, she's on the cover, but she isn't in the book.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

No, i'm not telling u she is, i'm just shocked that she is'nt because she's on the cover.

I cant wait to get these two comics!!

Why is Kyle's suit different?
Jesse, look on the cover of the second issue. There's a girl on there with a black suit and a black hat. She's to the far right. Who is she? Whats her power?

[Jesse321]

Her name is Zatanna, she is a magician / sorcerous. She can cast magic spells by speaking incantations backwards.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Thats what I kinda thought. That explains why she's goin against Wanda from the Avengers. They have simular powers right?

[Jesse321]

Well, not really, Wanda manipulates whats called "chaos magic" in the Marvel universe, her ACTUAL mutant power is her hex abilities which effect probabilities, she's basically a mutant jinx, though Agatha Harkess taught her to manipulate certain forms of magic and mystical energies.

Zatanna manipulates true magic, white magic or order magic (whichever you want to call it) but she can exactly control the effects of her hex bolts by speaking what he wants to happen backwards, Wanda still only has about 95 % control of her abilites.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

How did they end up in each others universe again?

Jesse, You said earlier u liked the fight between CAPS & BATS. Were the fights like only 2 pages like in marval/dc or do they do alot more?

Oh, and i think i understand the Wanda thing, I'll just look at them fight in the comics and figure it out. Do you see them fight yet, because I saw a page in the 2nd issue were GL attacking Wanda.

[Jesse321]

Zatanna hasn't even made an appearence yet to speak of.

They ende up in each others universes becuase they are being manipulated by The Grand Master and someone else whos name escapes me right now Flash provides the travel medium from the JL universe and I think the Avengers have a machine that lets them travel, sorry my brain is a bit fuzzy right now, been workin on the house for hours., just taking a break.

The specific fight between Bats and Cap was only a page or too, once they figured out that they could take one another they teamed up because both knew there was something going down that they weren't aware of .. the greater battles and the competition for the artifacts that they have to collect takes the span of most of the books so far.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

I sure hope when all these MISSING characters finally make their appearence, they fight. But it looks like by the end of issue #2 they team up so......

Who did Plasticman fight? And since when is Kyle(GL) wearing that suit? What happen to the other one?

[Jesse321]

Plastic Man hasn't been in the books yet, Kyle isn't even back from outer space so presumably this whole situation (if its even going to be treated in contintuity and not an Elseworlds project) takes place before his exodus to parts unknown OR when he gets back (again presumably) maybe he reverts back to his original concept design and get rid of those damn dog collars.

I always hated those damn things, they make him look like a chip boy toy in a gay leather man parade.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

No Plastic Man? But JLA/AVENGERS.com has pictures of the first 5 pages in issue 2 and it shows Quick Silver tangaling him. I think its page #5.
I swear thats him.

Are there any JLA members that make an appearence the 1st two issues that we dont usally see in their comic?(JLA)

[Jesse321]

OH for pete's sake, will you just GET the books and read them already!

[Red Mask]

I'm getting paid for a freelance commission tomorrow. Now that I've already bought the "Encyclopedia of Science Fiction" and a TLA Film and Guide book, I can buy part 2! I love Perez's work!

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Well this keeps the conversation going. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE answer my question.

[Jesse321]

NO, both teams right now are just the base teams they started adding people but not everyone has made appearences yet.

The covers are just to sell the books and more importantly the series, they don't necessisarily reflect the inner working of the books.

NOW, if you have so many questions GO BUY THEM and READ THEM !

Whats the point of a book discussion forum if your not giong to bother reading the books ??:shrug:

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

i dunno. I'm just one of those people who like knowing whats gonna happen before i see it myself.

Shoot, you should see me when a scary movie comes out.

[Jesse321]

I would punch your lights out if I were at a movie theater with you !! :laugh:

[Red Mask]

I finally bought a copy of issue 2! Yeah!

Perez's artwork is as exciting as ever. He continues to ensure that each character has a different face shape and details. That takes a lot of dedication. You can even tell the difference between Wonder Woman's face and the Scarlet Witch's.

As I said before the fights seem to reflect the storytellers' view of the fans' DC vs. Marvel quarrel. And I'm very glad because the ongoing fights were obviously played to reflect some ongoing feud. No supper for these heroes after dinner! :) When these people begin to work together then we'll see something truly amazing!

But what got my goat was the criticism the JLA had made of the Avenger's Earth. I almost have to agree with the Avenger's opinion that the JLA have it easy if it weren't for their litany of sins. I wonder if Busiek was writing Superman as being under the GrandMaster's influence when he said those things. Or maybe Superman was really acting that way. But still, they did annoy me, as did Wonder Woman's attitude towards the other Hercules.

Millions of lives have been lost in the Avenger's world. Genosha is just one example (one which the newly returned Magneto seems to have abandoned). The people are afraid of mutants, which the JLA don't have in their world. Doctor Doom still reigns in Latveria, and the Hulk is wandering free. Ultron decimated an entire country. The Savage Land was once destroyed. So? That's nothing new. But what about the JLA's world?

Superman had this self-righteous attitude that seemed like Bush's or Reagan's. What about the destruction that has occured from the alien invasions they've faced these past few years? It always bothered me that the writers never pointed out just how devastating those attacks really are to a population. It's like living in Afghanistan during the war years. You can't expect things to be fixed so quickly after a victory. Here are examples.

1. Two Middle Eastern nations are ruined because of the Justice League. One of them was directly the fault of Wonder Woman.

2. The assasin, Cheshire, nuked the country of Quarac. Even if it was a Teen Titans story, where were the Justice League when it happened, eh? What do they have to say about that? Oh wait, the current team didn't exist back then. Is that a good excuse?

3. Gotham City suffered an earthquake, a plague, and abandonment by the U.S. government. Thousands of lives are lost there. Where was the Justice League?

I'll tell you where, they had already fixed Superman's city when Luthor's doomsday weapons had destroyed it. But Zatanna did most of the work in restoring the city. Too bad she couldn't do that for Gotham. At least the JLA put more effort for Superman's Metropolis.

4. Hal Jordan's home city was wiped off the map by Mongul and that cyborg. Where was the Justice League when that happened? Oh yeah, Supes was dead. Hal was off-world. So millions of lives are lost by default. Nobody cares anymore.

5. During "DC One Million", Vandal Savage nuked the city of Montevideo. I know the JLA were sent into the distant future at the time. So why couldn't they travel back in time to stop it if "lives mattered"? The next thing we know a group of military superheroes builds a floating city over its ashes. That later gets destroyed along with its inhabitants.

So I don't understand what is up with Superman's attitude. He's got nothing to be proud of either. But DC has this way of forgetting the past mistakes, just like Marvel.

[Jesse321]

Excellent observations and comments RM, I have to agree that the Marvel Universe always seem more realistic than its DC counter art by being less eutopian and having much more long term effects to their storylines. Don't get me wrong, I'm still more of a DC fan than a Marvel one these days, but that doesn't mean that we can't realize the faults just the same.

I think that Sups attitude stems from a combination of both IMO.

[Red Mask]

Marvel's universe isn't more realistic, Jesse. They do not have DC's famous cities. But they've got the Savage Land, Wakanda, Latveria, the Moon's Blue Area, etc. I just don't understand why Busiek and Perez are presenting Marvel as being so damaged without pointing the other side's losses. On the Marvel Earth, Captain America is the equivalent of Superman for inspiring the people. The Avengers are publicly adored. They have accomplished the most impossible victories against powerful foes. Why isn't that being said? It's odd and infuriating.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

I'll comment on that when I get the book.

JLA still rules!!!!!!!!!

[Red Mask]

You do that, Coz. You do that.:book:

[Red Mask]

There is one good thing about the past destruction both worlds have gone through. They won't be suffering from overpopulation. Cruel, but ironic, huh?

[Jesse321]

Red MAsk, if you had read what I posted, what I meant to say was that Marvel is more realistic in its treatment of situations. For example, the EArthquake that literally destroyed Gotham and turned it into an No Man's Land, Gotham was rebuilt in mere months, you can't even see any of the left over devastation in any of the Bat books today, every knows it would have taken decades to rebuild Gotham. I'm just saying that Marvel handles certain subjects more realitically than DC does, Mte Human / mutants is another example, while in the DC universe metas are somewhat feared in the Marvel Universe mutants are still hunted and persicuted to this day, we all know full well that if mutants or metas exsisted in our world they would be treated like they are in the MArvel worlds ..

PS .. I just had lasik surgery today so i'm typing this by touch mostly, I'll correct the typos when my sight clears up a bit more tomrrow.

[Red Mask]

There are two mottos I say to make sense of DC's explosive stories.

1. The JLA are watching us.
2. The JLA are in their Watchtower. All's right with the World.

[VOXMAN41]

I'm sorry to say, that my fear of collecting comics again is keeping me from enjoying this great story. I'm hoping to get up the nerve to actually purchase a comic. Last week I finally entered my local shop and was overwhelmed by all the stuff I've missed out on over the years as well as seeing items that I previously owned and would have to sell my soul to afford replacing them at this time. God! Getting ripped off really sucks!

[Jesse321]

Vox, don't take it all in at once, this series consists of 4 issues, no more no less, its using well extablished charators that you already know the backgrounds to, so pick it up. If afterward you want to pick up a few others, take it one step at a time, thats how I'm handling Marvel books again. I haven't read Marvel books in close to 15 years, but I'vestarted witha few titles and am slowing working my way backwards, some books I'm not even bothering to go back and get backissues for.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

I just got the second issue!!! I'm pissed that they did'nt have issue#1, but all that changed when I read the 2nd issue. THIS COMIC IS AWSOME!!!!!!! Everyone that I love is fighting in it. The JLA is woopen Avenger a**!!! This comic represents DC much better then DC vs Marval. Thank GOD.

See JESSE, why u gotta lie though.:no: All the people that I asked u about that u said "did'nt make an appearence yet" made an appearence.
Black Canary
Plastic Man... all them.

This is the best comic I ever read. I cant wait for more battle's in issues 3 and 4.
DID YA SEE THAT BATTLE AT THE END OF THE COMIC!!!!! The one for the last artiffact!! That was the ultimate fight.

I'm made that BATS said its possible CAPS could beat him though.

[Jesse321]

Firstly, I didn't lie, if I was mistaken, I'm sorry, but I read over 90 titles a month, reading that many stories and charactors sometimes tend to run into one another. And by the way, a few panels with hardly any dialogue (if any at all), hardly consitutes an appearance, which is probably why I didn't immediately remember them in the book.

The reason that Bats said that was because Cap is an enhanced human, he has the super soldier serum running through his veins, which makes him faster, stronger and a faster healer, ergo he can bounce back from punches that make contact faster. Also remember he does have the sheild as a weapon, not that Bats doesn't have an aresonal of his own mind you. But that doesn't mean he could beat Bats, remember Bats said that it was "conceivable" not definate.

Finally, just cause it appears that the Avengers are getting whipped, don't think that this is the way the whole series is going to end up like, there are 2 more issues to go and Perez INSISTED on fair treatment for both teams, so don't count them out yet. Remember the Yankee's were the favorites, but the Marlin's still won the series.

[Red Mask]

Yeah! You finally got yourself a copy, Coz!:cheer:

[Jesse321]

Bought freaking time ! :laugh:

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

:cheer::cheer::cheer: YAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!


Jesse, only thing that counts for me now is that Perez or who ever shows the JLA's true abilities unlike DC/Marval did. And so far, he's doing a great job. I'm not saying JLA has to woop every single member of AVENGERS and not get any blows back at them, I'm just saying dont make WW get knocked out by freggin She-Hulk!!

[Jesse321]

Both WW and SH have class 100 strength, so its really a matter of who lands the first punch.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Okay, its December so I know the 3rd issue is out. But is the 4th one out yet? Its supposed to be out sometime in December.

Has anyone bought the 3rd issue yet?

[Jesse321]

I bought issue 3 last week and I'm more confused now than I was before.

The 4th and final issue won't be out until mid to late January according to my comics store they got word today its been delayed.

[Red Mask]

I'm glad they had a guest cameo of Barry and Hal (GL Hal Jordan.)

[DBZ_EXP]

Hey Jesse, DC's website still has it coming out on time.

[Jesse321]

DC Marvel Image Dark Horse and Crossgen never "offically" annouce delays D, they just pass the word to Diamond and Diamond passes the word on to the stores.

[DOCMIDNITE]

Originally posted by Jesse321
I bought issue 3 last week and I'm more confused now than I was before.



Wow, now I am relieved. I though I was the only one confused. What was he on acid when he wrote it? OOOOOOH just can't wait for the finale!:shrug:

[Jesse321]

I think its one of those things that you won't understand until the final piece of the puzzle is put into place.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Do any of them fight each other in the 3rd issue or do they work together now?

And on the cover, why are there two flash's, Wonderwomans, green arrows, ect...??????

[Jesse321]

Yes and no (trust me its just TOO weird to try to explain), but at the end of the issue they all team up to beat Chronos.

Golden age versions and Silver Age versions.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Thats alot of people to fit in one issue. Do they all, who are on the cover, preety much apear in that one comic?

[Jesse321]

Yes, but its like a messed up timeline that keeps hickuping, so they don't all see action ... you will have to pick this one up cause I can't even try to explain it .. its liek the alternate universes are blending and falling all over one another.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

I just looked at the issue 3 cover again and noticed something else. Spiderman was in the Avengers?

[Jesse321]

Yes he was, but only for a short time and only as a reserve member, though he was called into action a couple of times.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Well thats kinda fake to me. In thaT CASE THEY NEED TO BRING IN some Teen titans, Outsiders, JSA's,ect...

And i forgot to ask, Lobo was in the JLA before?

[Jesse321]

Yes he was.

The jist of this mini series is that ANY charactor that was an OFFICIAL member (reserve or otherwise) of either team will appear in the books, none of the TT or the Outsiders were ever official members (except Wally and Dick / Flash and Nightwing)and not all of the JSA had dual memberships.

Keep in mind that if any of the JSA or any other group helped out on a mission or a particular storyarch that doens't mean they were members of either team ... just guest stars ... and that doesn't count. If it did then I doubt that even George Perez could have drawn that many charactors into the series.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Got the JLA/Avengers # 3 for Christmas:cheer:

IT is fantastic. At first it was confusing but by page 10 I kinda caught on to what was goin on. This comic is tight. Cant wait till #4.

The part at the end where everyone saw there fate was cool, also I did'nt know Zantana had so many different costumes.

I hope at some point in the last issue JLA/Avengers still battle each other but I dought it. What I dont hope for is a replay of Marval/DC 4th issue, where they all join each others bodies. I hated that. Hopefully the cover on issue 4 of JLA/A does'nt mean that.

[Jesse321]

I TOLD YOU SO !!

AVENGERS/JLA #4 RESCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY IN-STORE


December 9th, 2003 -

The climactic fourth issue of AVENGERS/JLA has been rescheduled for an in-store date of February 18.

"What happened is that I worked myself into tendonitis with the cover to issue #3," says artist George Pérez. "No one else is to blame but me: not Marvel, not DC. I've been slowed down a tad, but I'm determined to get this thing done. I just don't want to let anyone down by rushing at the end. I'm grateful to everyone involved for being so patient. And I'd like to point out that despite having two creators who've had their share of physical ailments in the last few years, we've delivered three issues on time!"

AVENGERS/JLA #4 is available for advance reorder and now is scheduled to arrive in stores on February 18.

[Red Mask]

I'm willing to wait. With all the hard work Perez has done so far I'm surprised he didn't burn out sooner.

I'm already tired of the Marvel vs. DC fights. You should visit the Superherohype.com boards and look at the fanaticism there. If reality is going to be saved and restored these heroes must work together.

[Jesse321]

Amen to that RM .. George is doing out of pure love for both teams what no other artist has ever even attempted to do in drawing all these charactors together single handedly and when you take into consideration his very detailed drawing style it's amazing his arm hasn't fallen off.

I'm sure issue 4 will be worth the wait.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Shoot, I'm not over the DC/Marvel fights. I hope some still woop each others :curse:

I beleive I can wait.

[Red Mask]

Then they should have made this story back in the 80's when the plot involved them killing each other!

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

I have questions on powers for most of these heroes. I need them for arguments:D

Captin America- No powers, but has streanth, total control over his shield, and has experience army soldier type skills. RIGHT/WRONG?

Green Arrow- No powers, Very experinced with a bow an arrow. RIGHT/WRONG?

Zantana- Anything, and I mean ANYTHING!!! she says backwards will happen. Right/Wrong?

Captin Marval- I dont really know, same as Supermans right? (ofcoarse I dont mean x ray vision, heat vision, & breath, but what about everything else?)

Vision- Same as MM I'm guessing? RIGHT/WRONG?

Triathlon- Does he even have powers?

Black Widow- Same as Catwoman? Right/WRONG?

Power Girl- Same as wonder womans without the lasso & braclets right?

[Jesse321]

Capt. America - right and wrong - The super soldier serium gives him enhanced strength and reflexes which border close to the superhuman level, he can recoup faster from injuries though not at the level of Wolverine. He has no control what so ever over his sheild, its just a weapon, similar to Batman's Bat-a-rangs, he's just become an expert at throwing it. Because of his military background is an expert marksman and hand to hand combatant.

Green Arrow - Right and Wrong - GA is an expert marksman with many weapons, he just preferes the Bow and Arrow which is his trademark choice ... you might want to mention all his trick and gimmick arrows, he is also unusually stong, though not superhuman by any means.

Zatana - basically right ... BUT ... she can only channel a limited amount of energy to make certain things happen, The Phantom Stranger, Dr. Fate and several others are WAY more powerful than she is.

Captain Marvel .. basically yes .. BUT his powers are derived from magic where as Superman's are solar in origin. Theoretically if you can find a way to block the magic you will effectively canel out his powers.

Vision - totally WRONG - Vision can only control his density to become either intangiable or super dense. He can project beams of solar force (a laser of sorts) from the gem in his forehead. Vision is also an android, so he is super strong, but he has no telepathic or shape changing abilites like MM does.

Triathlon - no he doesn't really - he is just the peak of human condition, but nothing really superhuman (unless something has changed that I'm not aware of)

Black Widow - WRONG - Natasha (BW) is one of the worlds most highly trained covert spies, she is a master of disquise and expert hand to hand fighter in most every form of fighting styles or techniques .. she is more like a female Batman, but even MORE so, she is almost as experienced with computers as Oracle is and is an expert hacker .. she could run rings around Catwoman without even breaking a sweat. I would almost guess that she could be a match for Shiva.

PowerGirl - not really ... more like Supergirl.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Captin America- THANKS
Green Arrow- THANKS
Zantana- So, basically she can beat anyone exept the other heroes with magic powers. Cause all she has to do is say something backwards to defeat them.
Captin Marval- I thought he depended on lightning for his power. Also, he only has the ability of super streanth and flight?
Vision- THANKS
Triolthon- THANKS
Black Widow- So, are you sayin she can beat batman at combat and intellegence?
Powergirl- well thats just plain, there's nothin really special about her? Is she still in the JSA comics?

[Jesse321]

Zatanna - Not necessicarily, she can be phyically knocked out if she is caught unaware, she is weak when it comes to hand to hand combat .. her main power is her ability to cast spells by speaking words backwards, but she is familiar with other forms of magic as well.

Capt. Marvel - No the lightning is just the physical manifstation of mystic energy that transforms him from Billy to Cap. His powers are based on Greek Gods & Heros, here is how each of the Marvel Family is gifted by each:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~scunge/shazam/#acronym

PowerGirl - Yes she is an active member of the JSA

Black Widow - I would say she could give him a run for his money yes.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Zantana- THANKS

Captin M- O.K THANKS, so who is he with now? JLA? JSA? Solo?

Power girl- THANKS

Black Widow- O.K, does she have super powers? Also, then why do they keep putting BW against Black Canary when they cross over comics? If she can give bats a run for his money then she should beat the hell out of BC right.

[Jesse321]

CM is with the JSA.

I really don't know why, but don't count BC out so easily, BC isn't a pushover by any means. And, No Natasha doesn't have any superpowers, she like Bats has just trained herself to be the best that she can be.

[Red Mask]

And the Black Widow does her work so well...
You know, the JSA has a lot of firepower right now. They are equivalent to a superhuman army right now.

[Jesse321]

Member for member Red Mask .. right now they are the most powerful team DC has ... including the JL, with the possible exception of the Legion (though your talking way different timelines of course)

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Red Tornado- creates tornado's with his arms?

Barda- ????????

Atom- just has the ability to shrink?

Scarlet Witch- I thought she was bad. Did she turn good sometime between X-MEN Evolution and now?

Quicksilver- same question as above

Firestorm- the ability to make fire come out of his hands? thats it?

BlueBeetle- Whats up with this dude?

Who are the current members of the JSA right now?

[Jesse321]

Red Tornado - creates tornados from the lower half of his body presumably by spinning his lower torso at super speeds, he can also creat them from his arms much like Flash has done in JL. He is an sentiant android, superstrong and pretty near indestutible.

Barda - was originally the leader of the Female Furies of Apocolypse, a special cadet of women warriors trained by Granny Goodness and Darkseid himself. She is MEGA MEGA strong, trained in many alien forms of hand to hand combat. Her armor is pretty damn near indestrutible once its activated, nothing short of an almost nuclear level explosion can penetrate it, thats not to say that Barda could survive such an impact mind you. Her mega rod allows her to control huge amounts of cosmic energy that she can project as beams of force.

SW and QS - here we go again ... XE has NOTHING to do with the books and is so far off the correct storylines it's not funny, so lets not confuse the two. While Wanda and Pietro did start off in the Brotherhood and are Magneto's kids thats about all that XE got right.

Firestorm - doesn't create fire at all .. he is called the Nuclear Man, his power is the ability to transmute matter from one form to another, fire is just the physical manifestation of his transmutation abilities. He could very well be one of the most powerful beings in the DC Universe, if he would just get his shit together.

Blue Beetle - no powers, he is like Batman, gadjets and training, but no where near Bats level.

JSA - Mr. Terrific, Dr. Fate, Dr. Midnight, Jakeen Thunder, Stargirl, Black Canary (though she is on a leave of absence), Powergirl, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Wildcat, The Spectre, Golden Age Flash, Golden Age Green Lantern, Capt. Marvel, Hourman .. I know I'm missing one or two more ... they also have a ton of reserve members.


You can look any ofg these up at www.dccomics.com in the Secret files section ... they have a JSA section which explains everything in detail.

[Red Mask]

You know what would be amusing? The fourth part begins with a close-up of Superman saying "On my mark unleash Hell". And behind him are all the available Avengers and JLA members.

Hey! I just realized something also amusing! Iron Man and Hawkeye were partnered up in the 3rd segement. Time sure has changed since those two first met. But there was no Black Widow with them this time! I'd love to see a triple tag team fight with Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Black Widow against the hard travelling heroes, Hal Jordan, Green Arrow, and Black Canary.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Red Tornado- Thanks, he's just been put on my list of favorite super hero's. Does he have his own comic?

Barda- Thanks- In one of the JLA comics I have with her in it, they make her seem real weak compared to what u said.

SW &QS- Thanks

Firestorm- Nucluer Man? I thought it was Firestorm:shrug:
transmute matter to............what? U mean all this time that was'nt Fire coming out of his hands in Superfriends?!!?

Blue Beetle- ..................o....................k? I guess that makes since. I have gadgets, combat skills, and training. So I'll just call myself a bug?!!!?

JSA- THANKS All those people are in the current JSA right now? And the JLA only has 7 members? What issue are they on?

[Jesse321]

Red Tornado - no he has never had his own series.

Barda - only three people have ever handled Barda correctly, Jack Kirby, who originally created New Genesis and Apocolypse, as well as the Forever People, John Byrne and Walter Simonson.

Firestorm - he can change steel into vapor, or a blade of grass into radioactive explosive material etc. NO, your doing it again, confusing the show with the books .... stop that.

A Blue Beetle is actually a scarib of great power.

JSA ... yes, most recent issue was 56 which is starting the Black Reign storyline which is a weekly crossover event with Hawkman.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

I'm still not getting this Firestorm thing. The whole superfriends series completly changed Firestorm's power? Thats stupid. Whats the point of calling him Firestorm if he does nothing with fire?

JSA- Do u collect recent JSA comics?

[Jesse321]

Real name: Ronald "Ronnie" Raymond
Occupation: College Student
Base of Operations: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Single
Height: 6' 1"
Weight: 179
Eyes: Blue (White as Firestorm)
Hair: Brown (Flaming corona as Firestorm)
First Appearance: FIRESTORM #1 (March, 1978)

As a teenager, Ronnie Raymond developed an atomic bond with physicist Martin Stein when the two men were caught in a bomb blast intended to destroy the experimental and much-maligned Hudson Nuclear Facility. Amid a cascading nuclear reaction, Raymond and Stein were fused into a single being capable of manipulating radiation and transmuting the molecular structure of inorganic matter. Together, this new unified whole - with Raymond at the helm and Stein providing sage counsel in "immaterial" form - adopted the guise of the flame-haired hero known as Firestorm.

Two briefly became three when Firestorm added Mikhail Arkadin, a.k.a. the Soviet metahuman "Pozhar," to become a nuclear trinity. Ronnie and Mikhail were soon cleaved from this troublesome union, while a still nuclear-fueled Stein became Earth's godlike guardian "fire elemental." Stein then left Earth behind to explore the universe, leaving Ronnie powerless and, unfortunately, suffering from radiation-induced leukemia. Ultimately Stein made a brief return to Earth, at which time he used his abilities to cleanse Ronnie of his deadly cancer and restore the energies of Firestorm to him, this time separate from their former fusion.

Once the youngest member inducted into the JLA, Ronnie continues to serve as an associate member in its hallowed ranks.

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Firestorm - It's just a name, your superimposing what you think his powers should because your translating it literally into the charactor, he's not a glorified Human Torch.

JSA .. Yes, for ages now, JSA has always been on of my favorites since the ORIGINAL Huntress was a member way back in the good old days.

[DOCMIDNITE]

Originally posted by Jesse321


JSA .. Yes, for ages now, JSA has always been on of my favorites since the ORIGINAL Huntress was a member way back in the good old days.


Ah yes the good old days!Somewhere in my vast collection I am sure I have one of the first JLA-JSA team ups....

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Read the secret files at the DC site. Here's my JSA questions.

Mr. Terrific- so he has no powers? He's just a cool dude that can fight?

Dr. Midnight- whats his power? All I know is that he's blind, exept with his golgles.

Jakeen Thunder- So, is the pink thunder guy the boy that has the pen(the one that needed a fried) or is he someone totally different(a different dude that comes out of the pen when the boy clicks it)

Star girl- do u mean star spangled kid? if not then they did'nt have information on her. Whats her power?

Wildcat- No imformation. Whats his powers?

[Jesse321]

For God's sake BC .. you can look all these up online, it only takes a few seconds.

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Stargirl is Star Spangled Kid, she changed her name when she inherited the Starstaff from Starman.

Jakeem Thunder is the new master of the genie that is a blend of the orginal Thunderbolt and the original Johnny Thunder.

Dr. Midnight - can see in absolute darkness and is an advance nuero surgeon, medical doctor and scientist.

Mr. Terrific is a skilled hand to hand combatant and a MAJOR technology buff.

[DOCMIDNITE]

Originally posted by Jesse321
For God's sake BC .. you can look all these up online, it only takes a few seconds.

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Stargirl is Star Spangled Kid, she changed her name when she inherited the Starstaff from Starman.



You can go as far to say she is following in the footsteps of Sylvester Pemberton the original Star Spangled Kid who changed his name while in Infinity Inc.

Here BC try this link before Jessie hunts you down!!!:laugh:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/justicesociety/

[Jesse321]

Doc .. the thing is that Courtney doesn't just use that Cosmic Converter Belt anymore, she has been favoring Starman's Cosmic Rod more and more lately.

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And by the way, not that I'm trying to seem picky, but everyone seems to be getting into the habit of it, there is no I in my name, it's J E S S E ... sorry if that seems petty but its been a pet peeve of mine since my youth.

JESSIE - is the abbreviation for Jessica, and while I'll keep it to a PG rating ... that thing in my pants, they don't make Playtex in this size. :no: :eek: :laugh:

[VOXMAN41]

So, Are you like Doc Midnite 30? Or what? LOL

[DOCMIDNITE]

Originally posted by Jesse321


And by the way, not that I'm trying to seem picky, but everyone seems to be getting into the habit of it, there is no I in my name, it's J E S S E ... sorry if that seems petty but its been a pet peeve of mine since my youth.

JESSIE - is the abbreviation for Jessica,

Hmmmm i before e except after annoyed Floridian!!!!Thats one the nuns never taught me.:rotfl: Well noted;)

Vox.....I don't think you'll find me in the link I provided on the JSA!!!I would probably be one of those heroes that takes over after they think the Hero died and then gets killed in like 3 issues because they want to bring the original back.:shake:

[VOXMAN41]

True. I tried to be Nightwing 2 but, I couldn't find a way to kill him. LOL

[Jesse321]

HEY .. annoyed Cuban Floridian .. which is infinately worse .. we curse in spanish and REALLY REALLY fast. :laugh:

[VOXMAN41]

My daughter has the same problem. Her name is Arianna, yet everybody pronounces it AIRianna. She correct thems on the spot now. So do I. Maybe you could teach me those speedy spanish swear words. LOL

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

U knew I was gonna ask u. Besides, this thread is goin down hill anyway. Did issue #4 for jla/a come out yet?

[Jesse321]

No, as I stated a while back its been delayed won't come out till some time in Feb.

[Jesse321]

CORRECTION .... according to George Perez's website, the book has been delayed again until March 17th.

[Red Mask]

Ah schuzbutts!:hmm:

[Jesse321]

Yeah I know, I felt the same way .. another month until we find out what happens .. damn it !!

[Red Mask]

You know a lot of fans are still arguing over who should have won the past fights. Now that the two teams are working together I hope they'd be enthusiastic about seeing them united. I wonder if they've grown up with too conflict?

I've been thinking of drawing some parody pictures of the turmoil. In one picture there's Superman with his face battered up like Rocky Balboa with some missing teeth. He's raising Thor's hammer with a blood-stained fist and shouts, "Hey Lois! I did it!".

[Jesse321]

The one that I feel sorry for is George Perez, he really wants to see this project through, but the poor guys worked himself into tendonitis. No matter what though, I think it will be worth the wait ... just for his art alone if nothing else.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

O.K, finally saw a Superfriends episode with Firestorm in it and his powers looked nothing like what ya'll described. He had the power to go through solid objects and the power to change any object into anything he wanted. It was kinda like a Zantanna thing goin on. I just dont get it. Why call him firestorm when his powers have nothing at all to do with fire or storms:rolleyes:
Yes jesse, i know i know. The show has nothing to do with the comics. I'm just sayin.

[Jesse321]

FS powers are nothing like Zatanna's, Z's are magical in nature FS's are nuclear biomolecular ... two totally different animals ... the passing through the walls is just because he can control his density .. but I don't ever remember him being able to do that in the books.

Because the process of sub-atomic nuclear fusion is often refered to as a "firestorm" .. otherwise we could just call him matchstick.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

So.............. he CAN change any object to whatever he wants it to be...........

[Jesse321]

NO, he can't change organics (living things) only inorganics from one form to another.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

OH. I cant wait to see how they'll use him in the 3rd season of JL. Maybe they'll bring him more up to date and i'll understand his powers more.

[Jesse321]

I hope Dr. Fate comes back .. and they introduce Atom into the series !!

The latest issue of Justice League Adventures has the JL meeting the LEGION !!! KICK ASS !!!

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Just know? I think i'll stick with getting to know JLA, JSA, TT, Outsiders. Thats already enough groups i have to start collecting.

:offtopic:I wish I did'nt have to buy a WIZARD magazine just to subscribe. Other then that I dont know how to.

[Jesse321]

You don't, you can subscribe at http://www.wizarduniverse.com/
but you might as well buy an issue or two first and see if your going to like it before spending the moeny on a subscription.

but if your seriously getting into comics then Wizard is THE magazine to read.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Thanks Jesse, but my mom just surprised me with my very 1st issues of WIZARD, Outsiders#8:cheer:, JSA#57 & 58:dance:, JLA/AVENGERS # 1 FINALLY!!!!, along with two JLA comics # 91 & 92. Oh and my first BOP comic # 55. I know its far back but she said thats all she found. I did'nt read an yet, just looked at the pictures and i can already tell I'll love Outsiders and JSA!!!! BOP was alright but maybe one issue with BC, O, & Huntress will be better.

[Red Mask]

Good for you, Coz! And next weekend, I'll be able to afford as many comics as I wish with my first paycheck! I wonder what I should buy first?

Kia Asamiya's "Batman: Child of Dreams"? Or maybe catch up on the Birds of Prey collections? The JLA/JSA special story? OOOH, the possibilities are endless! Maybe I should flip a coin? So where's Harvey?

[Jesse321]

BC .. issue 56 is when the new team takes over, but get the graphic novel "Of Like Minds" which was just released last week .. it collects issues 56 thru 61 and will be much cheaper than back issues of the book which have become scarce and somewhat expensive in comparison to the GN.

RM .. pick up JSA and LEgion .. you won't be disappointed.

[Red Mask]

Okay, I'll check out the JSA. I'm also thinking of resuming my bookmaking hobby and need to choose some issues that would be fun to bind together. Years ago I had planned to bind the Wonder Woman issues featuring the Batman family (drawn by Phil Jimenez), but I left it behind in Philly and can't get them back. Maybe I'll try binding some Green Arrow issues?

:book:

[Jesse321]

Judd Winnick just took over the book a while ago and he has been doing a GREAT job on it, its a really good read.

[DOCMIDNITE]

JSA ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!
This Black Reign story Kicks Major Ass!!!!Sorry reverting to my teen years here!!The final page of issue #58 is a killer. WOW
Kinda explains how Brainwave Jr. from the old Infinity Inc is a villian! And the return of on of my favorite JSAers..Rex Tyler the original HourMan...

Anyone looking for a great story should check it out. It crosses over with Hawkman..

[Jesse321]

I have to say that last page just TOTALLY caught me off guard, I wasn't expecting THAT !!!

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

The JLA drawings are horrible. I cant even read those two comics because of the art work. ewwwww

JSA IS THA BOMB!!!!!!! But now I have to get the freggin Hawkman comic because they said it continues in there.:rolleyes:

Outsiders was vicious!!! That comic is the bomb. I wanna know more about them. They dont have their info in the DC boards though
*Jesse* ;)

[Jesse321]

Alot of them are new charactors so DC hasn't set them up yet . you know just about as much as the rest of do.

Starting with JLA # 94 (a very symbolic number as most X-Men fans will know) Chris Claremont, John Byrne and Jerry Ordway start a 6 part storyline called the 10th Circle. This has been a reunion 20 years in the making !!

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Reunion? What type of reunion? More JLA members perhaps!!:D:D

[Jesse321]

Your not old enough to have been there BC, but some 20+ years ago Chris Claremont, Dave Cockrum, John Byrne and Terry Austin made the X-Men what they are today. Chris and John haven't colaborated on a story since then and DC Comics FINALLY got them to reunite for this 6 part story in JLA.

The reason that the number 94 is symbolic is because it was Chris and Dave's first regular issue of X-Men ... John and Terry joined in in issue # 108.

John will also be filling in on next months Hawkman.

[Red Mask]

Yeah, it's the real milestone us X-Fans have been waiting for. I hope they can deliver the goods.

[Jesse321]

Do you even doubt that they will ?? :D

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Oh, I thought u ment reunion like in the JLA comic.

[Jesse321]

It is a reunion in the JLA comic, but it's the creators of this storyarch that are reuniting not the charactors themselves.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

So its gonna be the same usall 8 members? There not bringing in some different ones to join the 8?

[Jesse321]

Not that I'm aware of.

[Jesse321]

From Georges personal website:

Where the heck is JLA/Avengers #4?
posted 02-17-2004 02:27 PM by Kurt Busiek


George finished the last page this morning.

As soon as lettering and coloring catch up to him (and they're not far behind), we're off to press!

[DOCMIDNITE]

About friggin time!!!I'll probably have to go back and read the other 3 again...
The last ish better be spectacular, cause I gota tell you...To me it's been lacking so far!!!

[Jesse321]

The story has been somewhat hard to follow, but I think that the final issue will put all the peices together. I can't complain one bit about the artwork though .. as usual George has totally out done himself !!

[Red Mask]

The hardest part to follow is identifying the artifacts they had to collect. That and some of the individual histories. But I've enjoyed this series a lot. So much has changed that I forgot that Iron Man and Hawkeye first encountered each other as enemies. But now they're partnering up easily.

[Jesse321]

The artifacts aren't really that difficult for me, because they are deeply rooted in the histories of each team, but I can see where some new readers would have a hard time with them. Especially those from the DC Universe since most (to my knowledge) haven't been used, much less mentioned, in a long time.

[DOCMIDNITE]

Absolutely..No complaints on George's art here either....

[Jesse321]

The final installment has yet again been pushed back to Marech 31st.

[DOCMIDNITE]

Gee!!!!Way to kill all the hype on this project guys!!!
UN..BE....FREAKIN...BELIEVABLE

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Shoot, I've waited this long so i can wait another 2 weeks

[Jesse321]

Hell, this was the book I was REALLY looking forward to this week. Imagine how pissed I was, there was no notice this time at all!

I'm really pissed about this, because as Doc mentioned it really kills the hype. This was a project 20 years in the making, you would think that they would have waited until all 4 issues were almost finished before releasing them, rather than doing on the fly like this !! sheesh !!

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Maybe there doin this on purpose, you know, like to leave you in suspence:D

[Jesse321]

According to Geroge Perez's website it's because he worked himself into a case of tendoitous.

I doubt they would want to piss off potentical buyers this way.

[Jesse321]

OKAY .. I just read the final installment of the series and I have to tell you .. DAMN was it worth the wait !!

I checked and double checked ... George came through on his promise .. every last single chacactor that was in either team makes an appearance .. even if it's just in one panel !! Anyone who sees this art work will know that he wasn't kidding when he said that he worked himself into tendonitous !!

WHAT AND ENDING !!! .. and they even left a little surprise at the end .. but I won't spoil it for those who haven't read it yet.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Why noooooooooooooot??????!!!

[DBZ_EXP]

Well the end of the story, I thought, could have been much better. but the surprise at the end was cool, and it leaves open so many possibilities..

[Jesse321]

Originally posted by Batman'sCOUSIN
Why noooooooooooooot??????!!!
Because it would be rude. Go get the book and read it.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

Can you give me some clues in PM?
no? damn, i thought so....

[Jesse321]

Buy the book and read it.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

noooooooOOOOOOOO o.k

[Jesse321]

Then why are you bothering to come to the book discussion area, to participate in book discussions, if your not even going to bother reading the books ??

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

:D
1. Justice League Thread
2. Teen Titans thread
3. This is the only place I can get answers from questions I have about any hero.
4. I'm a 3 year rookie at comics. *Well, acually I've been reading comics on and off since I was 10 but did'nt really pay any attion til like 3 years ago.*
5. I broke and need to save money until I get my job back.

On that note, I try as often as i can to get the comics but hey, life ain't easy.:D

[Jesse321]

No, this isn't the ONLY place you can get answers, it's just the easiest .. and that's mainly my fault, something that's going to be corrected starting now.

You want to handle the TT anf JL threads .. no problem, I personally would appreciate your making the effort to read the books, if your going to take part in conversations about them.

[Red Mask]

I just bought myself a copy. I give it a thumbs up! This is how it should be. It doesn't matter if you're a J'LA or an Avie. The day is saved.

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

So your gonna stop answering only my questions because its easier to get them from a comic king rather then anywhere else?

And like I said, I do NOW read the comics. I just get them WHEN I can get them. And also I'm a being spoiled type person.

[Jesse321]

No, but I'm going to expect you to put forth an effort .. rather than just type endless answer after answer and make it easy on you (especially when it's not appreciated), I'm going to lead you to the places to get the answers yourself.

Don't count on me to spoil you .. it ain't gonna happen anymore.

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Now, if you've read the JLA / Avengers book and have something to contribute to the thread .. please do so ..

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

(especially when it's not appreciated)
What??

So its just me your not gonna answer questions anymore?

[Jesse321]

Now, if you've read the JLA / Avengers book and have something to contribute to the thread .. please do so ..

[Batman'sCOUSIN]

:laugh:HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!
YOUR funny, That was funny....:rotfl: tryin ta be funny and all..ha ha ha lol!!!! Woo..NO
Whateva:rotfl:

Anyway, when I get the comic I get the comic. But til then i'll be still talkin about issues 1 THROUGH 3!

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

and since my warnings still go ignored and fights will not stop, another thread is being put to rest.

Can the attitude! Fight someplace else.