HUSH - Part 2

[Jesse321]

As per a request from DBZ and the fact that there have been no real important posts on the first Hush- Part 2 thread I've created this one and added the poll.

I only haev 10 options so I did the best i could.

Hope no one minds :D !!!

[DBZ_EXP]

It is in the old HUSH thread, around page four, on one of my posts.

I just got finished rereading 616, because of the comment of the last wizard that the "penultimate" is in it. I now have three picks, if it isn't one of these I will blow a kibitz.

These choices are based upon things in 616, and hoping I might have seen a clue.

1. After Talia is taken off Lexcorp one, or whatever, Lex Find out and is asked if he wants to take action. His response is
"Not..."
"...yet."
mayby he is still made about not getting all that land free in NML.

2. Talia herself. She saved catwoman, which as she herself put it, his love for catwoman will be used against him. That can't happen if she is dead. Also Ra's said that whoever has manipulated the Bats is his enemy too. She, whenever she is not working for him (like now), has seen herself as his enemy.

3. Harvey Dent, this is for a number of reasons. First, he has been my choice all along therefore can't let it go. Second, he seems to be healed, or plastic surgery (I don't know, please tell me if you do). As Ra's put it one of the lazarus pits was defiled, depleting it's life restoring energies. Maybe that could heal Harvey. Also we know from his discussion with "Jimbo" that he knows whats going on, lots of it, maybe all of it.

So thats who 616 leads me to believe it to be, anyone else get some ideas from 616?

[Jesse321]

All sound very plausable D.

I never got aruond to re-reading 616, but I will make a point of it tonight or Saturday and post my thoughts.

[DBZ_EXP]

Ofocurse there is the option that is in the back of my mind, Catwoman. She could use his love for her against him, but that is a thought in the back of my mind.

[spyke]

what if its bruce you know his self consious if anyone manipulated him early on in the story he could just be imaging things or this whole thing could just be a bad dream thats just a thought that I had about five seconds ago andI know that it doen't really make sense

[DBZ_EXP]

Actually it does, I had thought of that but it would be so annoying if they did that. After all this time it was himself, I mean that is the cheapest possibility of them all.

[spyke]

yea it is preety cheap except for the people who went out and bought all 11 issues then #12 of the story but it just seems like that would what someone would do you know

[DBZ_EXP]

Yeah, but like you said twelve issues, it's unlikely they would carry some kind of dream on for that long.

[spyke]

they could though

[Jesse321]

No, I read a recent artical and they said that this storyline takes place over a span of several months to almost a year, so I doubt the whole hting si some elongated dream sequence.

[spyke]

oh ok then well if it didn't take over a couple of months then it could have been a dream or some sort of manipulation

[DBZ_EXP]

then it would have effected the other Batman titles, this is because he would have been in the "dream" in them to. So it must not be a dream, and HUSH is a Batman character other then Bruce.

[spyke]

really I always figured that Batman series are sort of a split universe sort of thing

[Frostbite]

Originally posted by spyke
really I always figured that Batman series are sort of a split universe sort of thing :eek: I cannot even begin to fathom what is running through that mind of yours.

[Jesse321]

LOL .. OMG .. I'm actually agreeing with FB, heck must have frozen over !! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[spyke]

what think about it gotham knights a Batman series am I wrong in #44 in gotham Knights Jasonn Todd died that was last month last month also was clayface returing as Jason ten years after his death

[Jesse321]

HUH ??? .. you want to claify that post a little ? I don't get it, I will edit this one in response once I understand what your asking.

[DBZ_EXP]

What think about your comment bad. At least how it was presented, and recieved.

[spyke]

what??? you said that all Batman seris coincide with each other and I made a good point

[DBZ_EXP]

Originally posted by spyke
what think about it gotham knights a Batman series am I wrong in #44 in gotham Knights Jasonn Todd died that was last month last month also was clayface returing as Jason ten years after his death


What point, all this is, is bad grammer. So much so that we cannot understand your point.

what think about now?

[spyke]

ok in gotham knights #44 Jason died that was last months issue and in the same month clayface posed as Jason to try and defeat Batman . You guys said that all Batman series go along with each other how can that be?

[Frostbite]

Jason didn't die in Gotham Knights 44! He died years ago!

[spyke]

just forget it it's taking up to much room

[DBZ_EXP]

But Frostbite is right, it was more then a decade ago that Jason had died, therefore again you have no point.

I just went to look up GK 44 and it had the death of Jason, but it was years age. In 44 Bruce went over, IN HIS MIND, the event leading to jason's death.


Here is how DC describes it
"You may think you know the truth about the death of Jason Todd...but you're wrong! As events in the present force Bruce Wayne to look into the past, some of the actions and events surrounding the demise of the second Robin become clearer. Plus, in the black-and-white backup, "The Best of Gotham"—a guide to Gotham City nightlife by Jill Thompson (DEATH: AT DEATH'S DOOR)!"


"...events in the present..." I wonder what those could be?

[spyke]

ok I didn't know what that mean't but ok

[DBZ_EXP]

But do you know now, or do you need it explained? LOL.



OOH yes, and one day to go, I will be picking up my comics early this week, but don't worry I will warn if I Spoil.

[Jesse321]

GK 44 was a retrospective story .. they just tried to fill in more of the plot that brought about Jasons death over a decade ago .. I think thats where Spyke might be getting confused.

[the_watcher]

In Batman 614 in the end of punch line HUSH trew a coin like two face used to do and since harvey seems to be cured then it looks like he might be the Hush man itself.

By the way the coin ended in death face (the scratched one), who died next?

[DBZ_EXP]

Couldn't tell you, I collect Superman so I came on this late. I get Batman when SUps is in it, which the one with him was the first I got, then I start collecting the HUSH with 616.


12 hours till I get the conclusion.

[DBZ_EXP]

Well, I was right. JUst a minute, no, I was wrong. Completely, utterly, fully, wrong.

[Jesse321]

So was I, BUT WHAT AN ENDING !!!

[spyke]

my favorite part was at the end when Batman says he fell but what happened to Jasons body?

[Jesse321]

I think that will be covered in the next 6 part storyarch by Jeff and Jim coming in 6 months.

[spyke]

crap well I still like that ending where he punchs him and the guard comes in and says "what happened?" " the fell"

[DBZ_EXP]

I love when Batman says why the guy won't tell, making the secret worthless.

[spyke]

yea that to it rinders him helpless

[DBZ_EXP]

I am just wondering what the "penultimate" clue in BATMAN 616 is. That is what Wizard called the clue in it, so what is it? Can anyone tell me.

[spyke]

I don't get it either

[DBZ_EXP]

I reread that twice. I still came up with three possibilities, but as we know they are wrong. I just can't figure out what the clue was. If someone can, please tell me what the clue is.

[Frostbite]

GIANT SPOILER!




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Tommy Elliot and the Riddler are Hush.

I didn't read the comic yet myself, but someone did and everything is explained here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1929&perpage=15&pagenumber=1).

[Jesse321]

We KNOW .. if you read the last few posts it would be painfully apparent ... we were all just waiting for everyone to get the books so as not to spoil it for anyone that may not have gotten their copy on Weds.

Blabbermouth :laugh:

[spyke]

yes I agree with jesse it was even hard for me to spiol it but I think that the hint about the secret was preety good hint

[Red Mask]

I think I missed something. When did that guy learn Batman's secret identity? When was he diagnosed with cancer?

[spyke]

plez note there is onother spoiler scroll down really fast so you can't see it


















I don't know but I guess since frostbite ruined it for everyone we can use thier names I have no idea when the riddler was diagnosed with cancer but he is really smart and could have figured it out or Tommy eliot could have told him

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Originally posted by spyke
I don't know but I guess since frostbite ruined it for everyone
Frostbite also posted a Spoiler Warning - which is the right thing to do so Spyke, not everyone reads spoilers so you might want to include one in your last post too, just in case cuz if they didn't read his spoiler, you just revealed it ;)

[Red Mask]

Sorry about that. But there are some details which I didn't find within the "Hush" issues. When I posted my list of questions and observations I worried about wether or not the writer had vital information only he would know to solve the villain's identity. Or it was available in past issues. It seems it was a bit of both.

[DBZ_EXP]

SPOILER, somewhat







He figured it out when he came out of the pit. He even said so. It gave him a new clarity of mind, which was all he needed to figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman.

[Red Mask]

Why doesn't Batman ask the Martian Manhunter to erase the knowledge from his foes' minds?

[Frostbite]

Because that's not very moral. And besides, J'onn turned into a crazy fire villain.

[DBZ_EXP]

FB is correct, the Martian Manhunter has turned into a prehistoric Martian called "The Burning". But the two storylines can't take place at the same time because in the JLA The Burning Batman has just been majorly injured and went to plastic man's.

[Jesse321]

Morality aside .. Bats wouldn't do that because it would express a weakness in himself. One of Batman's best attributes is fact that he has always (for the most part) been able to handle his own problems. The fact that he pschyed out the Riddler and then checkmated him with the threat of unleashing Ras against him should he ever spill the beans is proof of that. Batman has always been a charactor that survives by his wits and on his terms, thats what makes him Batman and arguably the most powerful charactor in the DC universe.

[Jesse321]

IMAGES OF THE HUSH ACTION FIGURES ARE IN !!

Here is the NEW Huntress Action figure designed by Jim Lee it looks AWESOME !!!!

[Jesse321]

Here is Poison Ivy .. another crowd favorite !!!

You can check out the rest at:

http://dccomics.com/dcdirect/index.html

ALSO for any collectors of Alex Ross memorabilia his Kingdon Com designed firgures Wave 2 and 3 are now pictured there as well !!!

[Red Mask]

Those are action figures? They look more like statuettes.

[Frostbite]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[Jesse321]

Nope they are Action Figures.

[Red Mask]

How points of articulation?

[Jesse321]

Go to the link I provided, all the information on each figure, including POA's is all there.

[VOXMAN41]

According to the Wizard emasil I recieved today, Jason Todd Is Hush. Is it true? How can this be? I thought he was dead?

[Jesse321]

Well in the original HUSH storyline it was supposed to be Jason, but it turned out to be the Riddler employing Clayface to play Jason.

BUT .. there is a new Hush making the rounds in Gotham Knights right now and no one knows who he is .. so maybe we haven't yet seen the last of Jason.

[DBZ_EXP]

Ofcourse not, it is even thought that it wasn't finished at the end of HUSH.


What I am wondering is does Joker know. The Riddler wasn't going to tell anyone because letting others in on a secret lowers the value of the secret, and what bigger secret is there then the identity of Batman (which could have something to to with IC). But recently it was very likely that he was going to be killed, so he sent a message to the Joker (I don't remember what it was exactly, if someone knows it would be great) saying somthing like "I know, get me out".

[Jesse321]

Obviously not, Riddler new the answer (a name) of someone that the Joker always wanted revenge on, he had been holding that trump card for a long time IMO .. and I think that Riddler just got deparate enough to pull it out of his hat to save his skin.

So he made a deal with Joker .. the name in exchange for protection .. not that it's worked so far mind you .. last issue Hush was mopping the floor with Eddie. :laugh: