Babs having sex

[Neptune's Rose]

Although I'd rather see Barbara with Dick Grayson... :o I'd like to give the writers and producers of this show some credit. We may have all watched a landmark in TV history with Babs and Wade having sex. I can't think of another show(maybe Dark Angel) where a person in a wheelchair has been allowed to have a love life and to have that life taken seriously by the writers of the show. So maybe the writers of the show can make history again but with Babs and Dick Grayson this time. Hey a girl's gotta dream...;) So does anyone else know of a show where something like this happened??

[DizzyOracle]

Yeah, Barb sleeping with Wade was unexpected. How does something like that work?? :blush:

[Neptune's Rose]

well she can't move her legs. But maybe she can still feel down there? i dunno I don't wanna take this thread down to that level...:) but if anyone else has an answer run it by me...

[Frostbite]

I don't think she can feel anything below her the point in her spine in which she was shot. If she can't use her legs, she can't feel anything. But she did tell Helena "it was great". But then again, Christopher Reeve has some feeling in his feet. Maybe Barbara's one of the lucky ones who retained some feeling in the groinal area.

[Neptune's Rose]

Whoa that's so interesting. I'm hoping onto google to do some research of my own. Anyone else care to share what they know?

[nwgurl]

Oh she can still have sex and feel it like a normal person does. She can't move her legs but she can still feel in that part of her anatomy.

I'm also glad that they had her sleep with Wade (I'd rather the guy was Dick though but...) For me that just shows that a paralyzed lady as hot as Barbara can still enjoy a normal healthy sex life. This was discussed in the dc website in the past regarding if Dick and Barbara had sex, many thought that it was possible but a lot weren't sure if she could have sex...thanks to the show, we can confirm that Barbara does have sex with Dick Grayson in the comics...now if only the comic writers could show us some proof of that.

[Lance]

I can't think of any other series in which a character in a wheelchair was allowed to have a sexual encounter. TV movies, yes, but not series regulars and certainly not a lead character. Then again, there haven't been many series lead characters in a wheelchair, have there? Now that the 'spell' has been broken, it would be good to see more such characters. Kudos to WB and the producers. Go, Babs!

[Frostbite]

I remember watching this one movie (Blankman, I believe), in which this one guy paralyzed from the waist down angered some criminal. So, the criminal took a scalding pot of coffee and poured all the contents in the guy's crotch area.
The guy said, "What are you, an idiot? I'm paralyzed from the waist down. I didn't feel that at all." Then, the criminal punched him in the face. "I felt that."

[DizzyOracle]

Sounds just like Tom Cruise's character in Born on the Fourth of July. He couldn't feel anything down there...

[nwgurl]

If you guys don't believe, search the internet or check these out:

Be warned, the topics discussed in these links are for 18 and older.

http://sexuality.about.com/library/weekly/aa091597.htm
http://www.paralinks.net/gordon_sexualitysci.html
http://calder.med.miami.edu/pointis/sexbehavior.html

[Frostbite]

God, Gordon is such a pervert! Sick! I didn't even want to finish the article about Gordon.

[Lance]

Thanks, nwgurl, for the research. I've been told that each case is different, that some people who've lost movement still have some degree of sensation, depending on whether the spinal cord is damaged --- and how badly --- or severed. I gather that Barbara's was severed, which would make sensation unlikely. But I'm also told that when sensation is lost below the injury, sensitivity can be heightened ABOVE it, which means that with a little creativity a sexual response can be produced. I'll try to find some written info on that, if you're interested ...

[WavemakerT]

Whoo hoo! Barbara had sex...with a man. If they really wanted to make this a landmark show/episode, she would have had sex with a woman. Like a certain Huntress perhaps?

[DizzyOracle]

Errr, no chance in hell of that happening.

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by DizzyOracle
Errr, no chance in hell of that happening.

Probably not, but it is just an idea.:D

[Frostbite]

A very sexy idea.

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by Frostbite
A very sexy idea.

I thought so.

[Watrvanefreak]

Wow. Interesting Thread. Lol

[Neptune's Rose]

How did this get off topic? lol

[WavemakerT]

I don't think we went off topic, just to an unexplored aspect of the same topic!:D

[Frostbite]

A very sexy unexplored aspect of the same topic.

[Neptune's Rose]

lol

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by Frostbite
A very sexy unexplored aspect of the same topic.

Hahaha! So true. I couldn't agree more.

[Chris]

Not all ideas strike me as good, this one most certainly hit me as 'sick'

[Lance]

I'm not all that enthralled with the idea either, Chris, though there is some fanfic that deals with a sensual (as opposed to sexual) encounter between Huntress and Dinah. The purists must be beside themselves.

[Chris]

I'm one of those who havent read the comic, the tv show of BoP was my first encounter with the different chars.
Therefore I dont know how the chars interact originally.
Considering that, this whole sensual relationship between Helena and Dinah doesnt really fit the storyline for me.
But then again, being a fresh fan and all - what do I know about the story line right?
All I'm trying to say is that it doesnt seem right, its not who I'd like Helena and Dinah to be.

As for fanfiction, I'm all for it, nothing wrong with it at all.
Its just this particular twist on the story that doesnt get my vote.

hehe, its all good though, somewhat. :)

[crazy_pete]

this is a really wierd thread, well atleast at the end and reading that gordon's thing.

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by Chris
Not all ideas strike me as good, this one most certainly hit me as 'sick'

:p You're just no fun.

[Chris]

hehe, its all good though, somewhat. :)


I can be fun too, hehe :cool:

[G Silver]

O.o Ever heard of Slash people? HELLO!?
*grins at WavemarkerT* It can be done, but only in our sick and twisted minds. Some of you people are soo close minded. It's unattractive.
G Silver

[G Silver]

*_* The idea of Barbara and Helena...is a wicked hot idea........

But that's just my mind talking, which is in the gutter atm.

G Silver

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by G Silver
O.o Ever heard of Slash people? HELLO!?
*grins at WavemarkerT* It can be done, but only in our sick and twisted minds. Some of you people are soo close minded. It's unattractive.
G Silver

Hehe, hooray for slash!! Makes life worth living sometimes.

[ForeverOracle]

LOL. Oracle/Huntress together would turn the show right into a new Xena show, lol. Don't get me wrong, I was a HUGE Xena fanatic, but not for that reason, lol. I just loved the show, it was such a shame it went off air. Not to get off topic or anything. LOL

[MiS-CH'vuS]

uh...not really into taking BOP into the whole Xena direction...
i, myself, am a very open-minded person, but i think our BOP ladies have made it quite clear that they are all strictly interested in exploring intimacies with males only- not each other nor with other females.
and i don't really dig taking them into that whole non-heterosexual arena simply b/c it feeds into the stereotypical misconception that all females who can kick butt and who are independant and who don't need a man to be happy are all females who can't participate in a healthy heterosexual lifestyle (ie- they are bisexual or lesbian).
i love the way the show is going thus far with oracle fiddling around in the sheets with wade, and with dinah having her own quirky crush on that guy in her biology class, and with the huntress and reese doing their own little flirting dance (although most say they want something to HAPPEN between the two of them and soon- i can understand the slow lead into whatever it is that may develop between the two of them...they live very different lifestyles, and there is way too much that they don't know about each other yet....reese still doesn't feel like he can fully trust huntress b/c she won't tell him her name- he basically still doesn't know much about who she really is).
just some thoughts...probably going to post this under a new topic to see what others think- be on the look-out. :D

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by MiS-CH'vuS
uh...not really into taking BOP into the whole Xena direction...
i, myself, am a very open-minded person, but i think our BOP ladies have made it quite clear that they are all strictly interested in exploring intimacies with males only- not each other nor with other females.
and i don't really dig taking them into that whole non-heterosexual arena simply b/c it feeds into the stereotypical misconception that all females who can kick butt and who are independant and who don't need a man to be happy are all females who can't participate in a healthy heterosexual lifestyle (ie- they are bisexual or lesbian).
i love the way the show is going thus far with oracle fiddling around in the sheets with wade, and with dinah having her own quirky crush on that guy in her biology class, and with the huntress and reese doing their own little flirting dance (although most say they want something to HAPPEN between the two of them and soon- i can understand the slow lead into whatever it is that may develop between the two of them...they live very different lifestyles, and there is way too much that they don't know about each other yet....reese still doesn't feel like he can fully trust huntress b/c she won't tell him her name- he basically still doesn't know much about who she really is).
just some thoughts...probably going to post this under a new topic to see what others think- be on the look-out. :D

Um, okay. Everyone has their own opinion I guess. Mine just doesn't have to agree with yours.

[MiS-CH'vuS]

Originally posted by WavemakerT
Um, okay. Everyone has their own opinion I guess. Mine just doesn't have to agree with yours.

i understand that... that's what "open-minded" means... taking into consideration everyone's opinion and not attacking some-one just b/c their's differs from yours....i was just stating my own opinion.

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by MiS-CH'vuS
i understand that... that's what "open-minded" means... taking into consideration everyone's opinion and not attacking some-one just b/c their's differs from yours....i was just stating my own opinion.

Okay, that's cool. Hooray for opinions.

[Chris]

Wow, arent we diplomatic today..

[Birdofpreyrocks]

ok no babs and helena no that would not be very sexy maybe for a guy but ewww. The show should let resse and helena take the next step kiss or something shes always talking about wanted to touch him all oer and how hes very sexy and thats true shemar is. why not let them do something about it

[Frostbite]

You know, in real life, Dina Meyer is bisexual.

She wouldn't have to act very hard....:)

[Neptune's Rose]

Originally posted by Terry
she always did have that butchyness to her in "starship troopers"

Dear God that is so offensive...butchyness? Now I know why everyone complains about your posts. What the hell did you mean?

[Chris]

haha

[Terry]

i meant she always did have that man's personality and habits

[ForeverOracle]

Dina's bi, really? Is she married? Where'd you find that out?

[Chris]

I wouldnt take Frosty's word for solid.
I believe he wants every woman to be bisexual.

[Neptune's Rose]

Originally posted by Terry
i meant she always did have that man's personality and habits

To Terry: That is beyond stupid. Just because a woman has some masculine aspects to her personality doesn't mean that she is bisexual, gay, or whatever. Everyone is different. And I don't like it when people make broad generalizations. And I'm still offended.
And how would you know if her performance in a movie is indicative of her actual personality. Do you even think before you post?

And to everyone else: In the Howard Stern interview, Dina Meyer mentioned something about having been with a woman in the past. But I'm not sure if she was just experimenting or if she really is bisexual.

[CYPRESS13]

Originally posted by Neptunekix
To Terry: That is beyond stupid. Just because a woman has some masculine aspects to her personality doesn't mean that she is bisexual, gay, or whatever. Everyone is different. And I don't like it when people make broad generalizations. And I'm still offended.
And how would you know if her performance in a movie is indicative of her actual personality. Do you even think before you post?

And to everyone else: In the Howard Stern interview, Dina Meyer mentioned something about having been with a woman in the past. But I'm not sure if she was just experimenting or if she really is bisexual.

Finally, someone who speaks with a little common sense. I also saw that interview and agree that nothing was said in definite terms. I have read all these post regarding her lifestyle and all the conjecture. People seemed to be willing to believe just about anything as long as it creates good gossip.

Frostbite and Terry: Unless you have facts, don't jump on the bandwagon and circulate what could be nothing more than a rumor. If you have proof, then back up your claims with the facts.

I could care less what she does on her off time. She just does an awesome job portraying a main character in a show I love, and would like to see continue.

[Terry]

neptunekix how are you offended?i wasnt talking about you

[Neptune's Rose]

Originally posted by Terry
neptunekix how are you offended?i wasnt talking about you

It doesn't matter if you were talking about me or not. And the fact that you even have to ask that question makes me wonder if I can reason with you. Why don;t you go back and read my previous posts and if you still don't get what I was trying to say then you never will.

[Neptune's Rose]

Originally posted by Terry
womens rights?

What do you mean by that?

[Neptune's Rose]

Well yeah I was trying to say that making broad generalizations (like when you said that bisexual women are butchy)is an ignorant thing to do. If I said that all blondes were dumb, or that all men are jerks many would find that offensive. And you wouldn't have to be blonde or male to be offended by it. So I wasn't really talking about women's rights I was talking about everyone's right to be free from stereotypes and generalizaions of all kinds. Do you get it now?

[Lance]

You can't reason with them, Neptunekix.
As for Dina Meyer's appearance on Howard Stern, she may have been putting everyone on for the hell of it.
Frostbite and Terry may be putting YOU on for the hell of it.
Or, who knows, maybe THEY'RE an item ...

[Chris]

Frosty and Terry?
haha, yeah riight.

[Frostbite]

On the Howard Stern show, Dina admitted to having sex with a woman. Howard asked her if she liked it and how many times she did it, and she just sat there and laughed at him. She might have been putting him on. Lots of people, such as Colin Quinn, say that they're gay on the Howard Stern show. Maybe it's just the hip thing to do.

[MiS-CH'vuS]

Originally posted by Neptunekix
Well yeah I was trying to say that making broad generalizations (like when you said that bisexual women are butchy)is an ignorant thing to do. If I said that all blondes were dumb, or that all men are jerks many would find that offensive. And you wouldn't have to be blonde or male to be offended by it. So I wasn't really talking about women's rights I was talking about everyone's right to be free from stereotypes and generalizaions of all kinds. Do you get it now?

THANK YOU!!!!! finally! some reasoning is found!

[.:Mattness:.]

Terry, once again you've thoroughly proven you're a complete moron. You judge Dina Meyer because of a role she played in a MOVIE? Just because she's a good actress who can portray a range of different characters, including a (using your awfully-chosen words) "manly" persona does not make her bisexual. You need to seriously check yourself. If you keep on acting the way you act on this forum and carry it into the real world, you will find yourself pissing off more people than you can count (perhaps that's not saying much, for your display of intelligence thus far has not been impressive enough to indicate that you can count very high at all). And you saw how your post offended Neptunekix. The least you could do would be to apologize to her...

[Neptune's Rose]

What are you refering to?

[Frostbite]

I think he's refering to this post originally being about handicapped people having sex, but it has changed to Dina Meyer being gay.

[LisaM]

The original topic had to do with Barbara Gordon, a person in a wheelchair, having sex. Please return to that topic and stay off of discussing the actors' private lives.

[G Silver]

Originally posted by Frostbite
You know, in real life, Dina Meyer is bisexual.

She wouldn't have to act very hard....:)

Where did you find this out? Now my mind has more immoral thoughts. Not that I mind or anything.

[G Silver]

Besides that last post....Um.....I'm with the girls on this bit.....My friends who are bi, are like models very femme. Myself I am bit of tomboy, but that's besides the point. I think most of the hollywoods actors and actress are bi. It's a trend thing. What the hell I am talking about. Most the US is STILL in the closet. Christ.

G Silver

[The Godfather]

This is actually pretty funny.

Being bi isn't a trend thing. It's usually a curiosity thing. Someone confused about their sexuality. Or someone enjoying their sexuality. Whether or not Dina is or is not should make no difference.

Most of Hollywood is NOT bi. We just happen to hear a lot of stories about the ones who are. Most actors and actresses are perfectally normal people going about their lives.

Most get up in the morning, have breakfast and walk their dogs. They don't like at US Magazine and wonder what should I be today? Every actor I've ever met and worked with has been more than a little centered. Some are a bit crazy but most are just high profile every day people.

That said...G Silver-- any information to share from your friend?

-Shawn

[Frostbite]

Originally posted by The Godfather
Most of Hollywood is NOT bi. We just happen to hear a lot of stories about the ones who are. Most actors and actresses are perfectally normal people going about their lives.

My mom's cousin's son was a featured extra on Strangers With Candy, and this summer he came out of the closet. My cousin is a Broadway actress, and although she's not gay, she has many coworkers who are.

[The Godfather]

Well now Frosty...Broadway's a bit different than Hollywood...;)

Seriously though, in all of my time working as a PA and as an extra, the actors I met were very centered. If they were bi, they kept it to themselves. It was their business.

-Shawn

[nwgurl]

Originally posted by G Silver
Besides that last post....Um.....I'm with the girls on this bit.....My friends who are bi, are like models very femme. Myself I am bit of tomboy, but that's besides the point. I think most of the hollywoods actors and actress are bi. It's a trend thing. What the hell I am talking about. Most the US is STILL in the closet. Christ.

G Silver

Hmmm, you've got a point there. Actors and Actresses who I used to think were straight are actually bi! Want examples?


Tyrone Power- the biggest womanizer of all was also sleeping around secretly with guys like Cesar Romero(It's funny because Cesar played the Joker in the campy Batman series). He kept it a secret because he was so ashamed of it but he preferred women to men.

Cesar Romero- mostly likes men over women. Had a thing for Desi Arnez(Lucille Ball's hubby who is straight).

Rudolph Valentine- had two failed marriages because the women turned out to be lesbians. Slept around with guys.

Rock Hudson- Okay he admitted he was gay but I always labeled him as bi because he slept with women too.

Basically a lot of the Latin lovers of the 20s,30 and 40s were actually bi, so were the actresses.

As for Dina Meyer, I'd only believe she was bi if she mentioned it herself, but other than that I don't really care because I think she's a great actress.

[Frostbite]

And Jack Larson, the guy that played Jimmy Olsen in the fifties. He was bi.

[CYPRESS13]

Originally posted by LisaM
The original topic had to do with Barbara Gordon, a person in a wheelchair, having sex. Please return to that topic and stay off of discussing the actors' private lives.


This was posted two days ago and it seems that many of you continue to want to talk about who is bisexual and actor's private lives. If that is all people want to talk about then it should taken to another site. We are here to talk about the show, the character's, and how to save this show. NOT there presonal lives or adding fuel to unsubstantiated rumors. IMO, the administrators have been patient with the immaturity on this website, but it is getting old. It's time we grow up and get back to the task at hand.

LisaM-Thanks for everything you have done and hopefully the people postiing on this website will begin respecting what we are doing here before we lose more people such as themaninblack.

[MiS-CH'vuS]

Originally posted by CYPRESS13
... it seems that many of you continue to want to talk about who is bisexual and actor's private lives. If that is all people want to talk about then it should taken to another site. We are here to talk about the show, the character's, and how to save this show. NOT there presonal lives or adding fuel to unsubstantiated rumors. IMO, the administrators have been patient with the immaturity on this website, but it is getting old. It's time we grow up and get back to the task at hand.

LisaM-Thanks for everything you have done and hopefully the people postiing on this website will begin respecting what we are doing here before we lose more people such as themaninblack.

thank you cypress!...i was just about to post something similar to this on this thread b/c things are getting way out of hand!... i can understand going off on a tangent (hey, we're human and things like that happen), but it's gotten way out of control- personally, i don't give a damn about what sexual preference each actress/actor in hollywood has- i joined this forum for the purpose of keeping up-to-date on BOP happenings, and carrying on interesting conversations (mostly about the show) with those who are fans like myself.
if you have something specifically off-topic you want to post, you can go to no man's land and post it there (that's what it's there for), or if you have something specific to say to someone else, you can always p.m. them.
i would like to be able to come to this site and to still enjoy it even after the show is gone (given that no-one else picks it up), but i don't think the webmasters will be keeping it online and accesible to us if there is this constant unneccessary gibberish being posted.

[Frostbite]

Well, honestly, there's not much to say about disabled people having sex. All there is to say has been said.

[LisaM]

Any further discussion about the actors' private lives will result in this thread being closed and deleted.

Please stay on topic.

[hb695]

That's crazy for them to talk about.

[G Silver]

o_o I say anyone who wants to talk about Dina Meyer Sexual Stats. I say IM me. x_x *snicker, waits to get smacked*

[Neptune's Rose]

::smack::

[Terry]

smack?

[G Silver]

Originally posted by Neptunekix
::smack::


;_; OWIIEEE! Meanies....;p

[Frostbite]

While this isn't about gay actors anymore, it's still not about disabled sex, and I think Lisa is going to close this topic any second now.

[Lance]

I beg to differ with Frostbite, who offered this: "Well, honestly, there's not much to say about disabled people having sex. All there is to say has been said."

If BoP had been allowed to continue, MUCH more could have been said. What's apparent is that there is little interest among those who don't understand it and don't particularly want to. That's part of what Barbara/Oracle could have articulated, if given the chance.

[OracleRuby]

OK??? So can she feel it??

Just asking.

[Neptune's Rose]

It depends. Some people that are paralyzed can feel it while others can't.
Correct me if I'm wrong...

[Lance]

You're correct, though those who can't 'feel it' can be astoundingly creative in other ways that --- I'm told --- are just as fulfilling.

[BlacCanary124]

She was shot at the spinal cord, it was severed. The spinal cord does not control other body functions.

[Derek Quinzel]

Hmmmm... Don't know!

[DrayvensCrow]

As long as the writers stayed close to the original Babs, then yes. She and Dick have been intimate since then, and he took her on a trapeeze once and she said how good the air felt on her legs as she swung. As far as the rest, it would depend on the amount of nerve damage as well as spinal cord damage....

[cateyes]

You know, some of you people are sick. I don't even like the idea of her sleeping with Wade, much less Huntress. I'm one of those people, and I don't care what you think of me now, who doesn't believe in sex before marriage. There were plenty of other ways that they could have shown that she and Wade accept and love each other.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

nothing wrong with wanting to wait either cateyes...

[Bcool]

Originally posted by Sxygrrl Huntress
nothing wrong with wanting to wait either cateyes...

contrary to poular opinon... there really isn't

Bcool

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by Sxygrrl Huntress
nothing wrong with wanting to wait either cateyes...

Exactly. No one's stopping anyone from doing anything. Whether that be waiting, or not.

But, just to point something out, they didn't actually show that Babs and Wade had sex, it was just implied. For all we know, nothing really happened, and we just think it did.

[msugirl85]

yea. i mean i'm waiting till marriage to have sex. there a bunches of reasons to wait and bunches of reasons not to. you just gotta make your own decision

[Lance]

WavemakerT says, "...they didn't actually show that Babs and Wade had sex, it was just implied. For all we know, nothing really happened, and we just think it did." True, unless Barbara lied to Helena afterward when she said they'd had sex and it was great, and that Barbara worried that the reason Wade wanted to 'take care of her' was because she's in a wheelchair.

None of that, however, takes away from the main point of the post or msugirl85's agreement --- I tossed it into the mix for clarification. You're free to toss it out again.

[WavemakerT]

Originally posted by Lance
True, unless Barbara lied to Helena afterward when she said they'd had sex and it was great, and that Barbara worried that the reason Wade wanted to 'take care of her' was because she's in a wheelchair.

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Right you are. I guess they did have sex.

[Lance]

I remembered that scene because it was the ONLY scene in the series that explored that part of Barbara's character. Too bad, I think.

[ChrisMarvel2002]

One of the problems with the series was they didn't do enough
with Oracle. On the Internet It Is clear that Dina Meyer Is the most popular(and desired)actor on the show. While people didn't
like Wade I liked that sub plot because It gave Dina some attention to play. And having her In romantic scenes Is a plus for
me.

[msugirl85]

who didn't like wade? i loved wade and gibson :D

[jaguarin]

Wade is so cute... but, well Barbara looks most intelligent than him... and sometimes he looks dull.

[msugirl85]

naw i think they where cute togather.

[RnH4eVa]

Hey

I started reading this from the beginning... I have to say that I was happy they 'did it'... i mean... A lot of the show was about their work and it was nice to see into their personal lives. I opened this question up to my friends and we came to the assumption that it is possible. I mean, maybe a bit complicated, but do-able....
As for the whole 'bi' thing.. i could care less... she is a talented actress and that is the important thing.

tOOtZ~*

[RnH4eVa]

Hm... I was watching "Three birds and a baby"... I think a better question is:
How was she driving the car?!?!?!?!

tOOtZ~*

[DrayvensCrow]

Modified pedal controls let work the bake and gas with her hands. They look like an extra gear shift....

[RnH4eVa]

hm... interesting.. thanks DrayvensCrow!!!!!

tOOtZ~*

[DrayvensCrow]

As far as Babs' personal life, I think they were going to explore it more if it would have had a 22-ep. run, or in the 2nd season.

[RnH4eVa]

I would have liked to see more on their personal lives :(

tOOtZ~*

[Grae Leigh]

wow long thread.

As my caption says I'm such a big fan of Barbara/Helena shipper = romantically involved.
Yeah I know some might say it's sick, but heck as a fan of the serie (i haven't read the comics) that how I see it, and i'm not the only one it seems *wink to WavemakerT*
And we are in the 21st century !!

Now back to the original thread 'babs having sex', i wanna thank all for the info, that's great to know. As a fic writer I always wondered but couldn't find any good information.

Besides, back to Barbara/Helena as a couple, what could be better than being involved with an other woman to know how she feels ?
I'm more partial about the Dinah/Helena pairing because the caring between Barbara and Helena is so obvious, it'd be a waste (in my opinion) to not explore it.

As for Dina Meyer being bisexual, well that's her private life, who cares ? :fume:
As i recall in Dirty Little Secrets she takes a steamy shower with an other gal = she's a lesbian? We all know she's a terrific actress so she portrays her character, end of the story ::x:

Honest, i don't care, as long as she's happy, no need to discuss it.
Dina rocks !!!!! :love:

[Red Mask]

Oh God, people are gossiping about Dina Meyer's sexuality? We're still stuck in the 20th century?

But since we're on the subject... Dina Meyer didn't have a shower scene with another woman in "Dirty Little Secrets". That was the woman who was playing her sister/ old friend. But I think the two were intimate in the movie, because when I saw it on cable there was a scene with them on a bed that looked cut.

[Grae Leigh]

hmmm i'm sorry to contradict you, but it was Dina in that shower scene.

I'm posting a link to a page with screenshots, please me responsable enough and underage don't visit there.

http://www.clublez.com/movies/lesbian_movie_scenes/d/deadly_little_secrets/index.html

Red mask : one of those enlarged make it more than obvious that it is Dina.
http://www.clublez.com/movies/lesbian_movie_scenes/d/deadly_little_secrets/deadly_little_secrets_04.jpg

Again her apparing with a girl in a scene, ok many scenes, doesn't mean she is a lesbian, i have vegetables in my freezer and hate those !! lol

L8rs !

[Red Mask]

Ach de leiber and merde too! I've been cheated! God damn those cable censors!:fume:

Thanks for the links! But Dina Meyers' sexuality still doesn't interest me much.

But the possible subtext between Oracle and Huntress? I might be inspired to draw a picture about that.

By the way, I remember skimming through a fanfic about Oracle and Nightwing having sex. If you look hard enough you might find it out there in the world wide web.

[Grae Leigh]

lol red mask it's available on p2p software :D

well i always thought there was some subtext between Barbara and Helena, just like there was in that particular dance scene Faith/Buffy back in season 3.

[NastyAngel]

Well I wasn't expecting that.... but well... I mean she's still being human!! ao I don't understand why this is such a big problem

[Grae Leigh]

yup great human, fantastic actress and from some reports/articles, a very caring person.
All to make it a wonderful person, so i don't why it's such a big deal either :D

[srfrgrl]

There was definate sub-text in there between Barbara and Helena. I also think that the whole Wade character was a lame partner for her. She is a power strong female character with a total geek boy, please!

[Bcool]

Ok... sorry, some one help me out here. I didn't see any subtext between Babs and Helena... so what are ya'll talking about here? I didn't think Wade was that bad, he had his short comings sure but Barbara was never one for a stable relationship.

Bcool

[cateyes]

Bcool, even according to the writers (see the thread in New Gotham Gazette) there was no subtext between Helena and Babs. I definitely didn't see any, and I think that a lot of people are simply reading too far between the lines and trying to find something that doesn't exist.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Well that's the advantage of television - you can read things however you want. I see subtext in many areas as well.

When Helena saw Wade in the clock tower, the look she gave Barbara was pure jealousy. Helena did NOT look comfortable with Wade being there and with Barbara.

[jaguarin]

Well, i took that look as the one that have the childs that are the focus of atention in a house and when a new bro. arrives they felt jealous becouse now they dont have all the attention :D

[srfrgrl]

Point taken Jag, but I agree with SGH on this one, there was the look of your invading my territory and better leave on her face!

[jaguarin]

:laugh: He, he i can't win one with you two

[Bcool]

All I can say about that is this... Barbara was always stressing keeping work and social life seperate. Fighting crme was her time with Barbara... Wade wasn't apart of that... then all of a sudden he was and thats why she wasn't happy... that just my POV.

Bcool

[Grae Leigh]

thank you SGH, now Jag that makes 3 'against' you !! lol

sub text is great and that's the chance of fic writers, develop what they see in a show, or not see.
Btw remember all that stuff around Xena/Gabrielle ? Well after the show ended Lucy Lawless herself said it was way obvious for outsiders, but they were too caught up in the show to see it themselves.

Maybe Helena hasn't a stable relationship so far cuze she can't have what she really wants, and I didn't like Wade !! :devil:

Now back to the thread, well sorta.

We know Babs and Wade had sex (versus made love ?) but i was wondering where they were ? Wade didn't know about Babs crime fighters life so i guess Babs bedroom isn't in the clocktower ? I'm a bit confused about it. Help anyone ?

L8rs !
GL
:surf:

[Bcool]

Once again one of the wrighters said there was no intent on any sexual relationship between the birds... You can read in your own messages all you want because there's non there to be found.

Bcool

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Spoken by a true homophobic man. The writers do not control how the actors act and what they add to the scene so I say it again, I see some things in some episodes. Just because you don't doesn't mean it's not there.

Example: In Xena, Renee, who plays Gabrielle, said her and Lucy were the ones that started being more affectionate on screen and playing with the characters a little. The writers never wrote the words to make them be more affectionate. That is pure acting and how the actor interprets the scene.

When Wade came in the clocktower, I say that Ashley gave a complete look of jealousy. The writers don't tell her how to act, they give her the words to speak. And I saw her being jealous. There's none to be found? Well that's a matter of perception and others disagree with you. There is no FACT in this answer. We all see what we want. The fact that you can't see jealousy doesn't mean Huntress wasn't. It's how you interpret the scene.

[yank2324]

Okay I can say this. As you know I am straight. I loved Xena and Gabrielle and yes there was plenty of subtext right from the beginning even before I think it was really played up. As for Helena and Barbara...yes there was some subtext. It's all how the actors interpret(Sp?) the scene. Words are just on paper. Actors bring them to life. Hell there was subtext in Buffy Star Trek you name the series and you can find it. I agree with you and srf but I also agree it's what people choose to see or be blind about How many Xena fans would never acknowledge they saw anything.

[Bcool]

First off I'm not homophobic. Second I never said huntress didn't look jealous in the before mentioned scene... what I'm debating is the source behind the jealousy. I know personally what it's like to have a close friend who meets some one... they start spending time with them... talking about them... and it's easy to feel that you've been left behind... I think Helena felt that Wade was stepping on her friendship with Barbara. In "Slick" when Barbara tells Helena that she going out with Wade again Helena says "Good, it about damn time." also later when Babs reviles that she slept with Wade, Helena seems happy for her... so my point is this... Unless you've hear from Dina or Ashley that they played the show with "subtext" then I'm not making any assumptions... sorry but I'd much rather think of two cute females as being interested in guys(like me) then each other... now if that makes me homophobic then I guess I am.

Bcool

[ruffcat]

Yes, I think that subtext is by its nature subjective and very much the product of the interaction between the writer, the actor and the director's interpretation and viewer perception.

I recall that Joss Whedon has stated that the writers had intended subtext in the Buffy/Faith interaction; this hasn't stopped vigorous debate in the fandom as to whether it was "real" or not. Similarly, there is a strong slash fan base around Xander/Spike or Xander/Angelus which "spark" I'd never picked up in my viewing of the series. (And please I don't want to start a debate about it's legitimacy or otherwise here.)

Hans Tobeason noted the difficulties associated with writing for the series including a lack of clear executive direction or vision and that the writers were isolated from the actors and from the production/post production process, so this would have given even more space for interpretation by actors and viewers.

[Grae Leigh]

Originally posted by Bcool

Once again one of the wrighters said there was no intent on any sexual relationship between the birds... You can read in your own messages all you want because there's non there to be found.

I didn't see any subtext between Babs and Helena... so what are ya'll talking about here?

I agree with SGH and many others here, there were things to be seen between the lines in somes episodes. If I had time I'd list them just for fun, but I sadly lack of it. Because _you_ don't see it doesn't mean that we can't discuss it, right ? That's called basic freedom...

Originally posted by Bcool

sorry but I'd much rather think of two cute females as being interested in guys(like me) then each other... now if that makes me homophobic then I guess I am.

hmmm okie i'll go totally off topic on this and get my ass kicked but heck i don't care much because my blood is boiling at reading your post, so i feel like i have to respond :fume:

That kind of phrasing is very hurtful towards women, and of course lesbian in particular. Everyone has its choice of life, love and the way they want to lead it, so if a woman has more interest in an other woman than in you, then let's be it.

Not to mention the 'cute' in the middle of it .... that's just so rude.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Originally posted by Grae Leigh
If I had time I'd list them just for fun, but I sadly lack of it. Because _you_ don't see it doesn't mean that we can't discuss it, right? That's called basic freedom...
There is a thread where we did talk about it - you can go here:

Subtext Scenes in BOP - You Know There Were Some! (http://www.birdsofpreyonline.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3325)

I also think it bothered Barbara that Wade walked in the clocktower because when he left, Barbara sighed and said, "We'll get used to it," which showed she really was uncomfortable with him being there, even though she had slept with him. And Helena folding her arms right after, she was definately pissed.

[srfrgrl]

First what the hell is wrong with two "cute" women caring for each other! The answer you are searching for is Nothing! Just because a woman isn't with a man, doesn't mean that the relationship with the two characters is wrong, which is what you are implying! Also let me add that there was definite sub-text in this whole show, Harley circling Helena in the office and the almost kiss, Dinah rapping her arms around Helena after Gladiatrix, and Barbara and Helena in the clocktower after Wade leaves! Don't care what the writers say it was there! Probably to be used later in the series!

[Grae Leigh]

SGH thank you so much for the thread, I didn't do a full search before so thank you very much.

Very true SGH, and she said 'we' not 'you' which i take as a serious subtext :D

It's not B/H (my fav pairing, I just can't help it) but what about Harley licking Helena cheek ?
And I still think that B would have killed H if H didn't talk her out of it because she hurt H, not because of W.

Thank you srfrgrl, now you make me regret even more that the show was cancelled, it'd have been soooo cool !! :( :tear:

[Bcool]

Oh... I am sorry if I hurt some one or offended them... That wasn't my intent. I was a little mad about being called homophobic. The "cute" reference was just about Helena and Barbara I wasn't making a broad term... Looks aren't everything, they are only skin deep. A persons character and personality are more important... I wasn't trying to knock anyone... people absolutely have the right to do what they want... it's called free will. But there's another place to be talking about this.... the main idea here was what if any subtext there was in BOP. I was trying to show other scenes in which Helena seemed happy that Barbara and Wade were getting closer. I think the reason they were so uptight about Wade being in the clock tower is that Barbara was always talking about keeping "work" and social life separate... your right my last comment wasn't smart or good and I apologies...

Bcool

[srfrgrl]

I guess then the subtext is a matter of viewer opinion and what one person see's might not be what another see's!

[Bcool]

That's all I was really trying to say... I was just defending against comments that there was "defiantly" subtext. People are always going to get different messages from shows and movies. Although in retrospect maybe I shouldn't have opened my big mouth... I just can't resist a good debate... and hidesight is 20/20. In any case I promise to think a little more before I post... Ya'll have to know that is never my intention to hurt or offend anyone and will do my best not to do it again.

Bcool

[srfrgrl]

Bcool you are too cool to hurt anyones feelings! I think that was a great debate and you presented a very good argument defending your opinion. I hope we have alot more discussions like this one!

[Oracle/Batgirl]

Originally posted by DizzyOracle
Yeah, Barb sleeping with Wade was unexpected. How does something like that work?? :blush:

Dizzy Oracle. Just because someone is in a wheelchair doesn't mean we can't live normal lives as well as people who aren't in wheelchairs.

[Meta Master]

I think sex before marage is wrong.

[GL2814]

Okay, aside from that being off topic I do have an answer to it. Wade didn't exactly live long enought to marry Barbara. And as far as thinking that way, that's a completely different subject.

[Oracle/Batgirl]

Originally posted by Meta Master
I think sex before marage is wrong.

Why is that Meta Master?

[Meta Master]

B/C that was the way i was taught...i am very much into religeion..and i guess those are just my morals. I am sorry if i upseet anyone.

[jaguarin]

Welll dont feeel bad, here in Mexico all people thinks as you, no problem is an education thing.

Some families teach that sex before marriage is natural and others see it as a wrong thing. In my family all people say: sex just after marriage. But it's up to you :D

[WJT]

I agree with metamaster, sex before marriage is wrong.

[Meta Master]

Why thankyou! I wasnt expecting to find someone to agree with me.

[Bcool]

Well now you have two. I wouldn't say I'm religious but I have somethings I believe and I live by them.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

The topic isn't about sex before marriage so please stay on topic. Thank you.

[GL2814]

Originally posted by Meta Master
Why thankyou! I wasnt expecting to find someone to agree with me. I did mention it was said here before.
Anyway, did anyone else think it was rather odd that Babs jumped in bed with Wade so fast concidering that Helena was suposed to be the wild one? It seemed a little out of character to me that Barbra would do that. Although every other version of the character has been on a show aimed at kids except for thet comics, and there I still haven't seen Babs do anything other than basice crime fighting.
:feedback:

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

She was engaged in the comics and she left him at the alter - Jason Bard, I believe. I think it's in her nature to go to bed with someone. Since when does that make her 'wild'? I think she's a strong, independant woman who does what she wants - ain't nothing wrong with that.

[GL2814]

I didn't say she was wild, I said Helena was. Besides, I see Babs the same way, but in a different light. I'm so used to her being a super hero that seeing her with a personal life is kind of a shock to me.
I'll admit I've been away from the comics for a year and a half but, in all the ones I've read Barbara has either been Batgirl, Oracle or not in the book.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

I think the quickness of it was just due to them trying to rush the series too much. I don't think of Barbara as motherly - remember, she was Batgirl - she's a tough chick.

[GL2814]

You both make good points, especially SGH about rushing the show.
As far as motherly though, I thought of her more as the big sister.
But you're right about nothing being added.

[Oracle/Batgirl]

Big Sister? I thought Barbara was more like the little sister who is trying to prove herself to her older brother.Batman. She finally proves herself to him and it sees as more of an equal then.

[srfrgrl]

I don't see anything wrong with Barbara having sex with Wade, what is the big deal? I think its great that a independent woman can make the choice to sleep with someone she is attracted to and its not like she met him in a bar and said lets go, no she dated him a couple of times, then did it! So its not like she is premiscuous.

PS-All you guys and girls who say you are gonna wait til you get married for sex, gotta tell you, that if you wait til you are married you might be in for a disappointment. According to the Bible (Cosmo Magazine) you are more apt to divorce or cheat on your spouse.

[SevenSlave]

I don't see what the big issue is.

Barbara hasn't ceased being human. o.O

[GL2814]

Originally posted by srfrgrl

PS-All you guys and girls who say you are gonna wait til you get married for sex, gotta tell you, that if you wait til you are married you might be in for a disappointment. According to the Bible (Cosmo Magazine) you are more apt to divorce or cheat on your spouse.
I never thought of that before, but what about everyone who look at their partner and simply say,"That's it?"
Most people kind of expect it to be worth the wait.

[tina_flute]

that would be so wierd if huntress had sex with a girl. and barb still has blader control right so why souldn't she have feeling down their. i think it is cool that she and wade has sex. showes how independent barbra is. i wish they hadent taken wade off. he was such a god character to have around. barbra needed him and he was so good to er. didn't treat her differently just because she was in a wheel chair. don't know about dick though. babs and wade made to good a couple

[GL2814]

I just realized that you're the first person to mention Barbara's bladder control on this thread. But you made one hell of a point by mentioning. If you can still feel you should do what what you want to do and what other people think or say shouldn't matter.

[tina_flute]

thanks i thought i would just point that out. it is a rather important point that was misses and i wanted to make sure it was mentioned :)

[Oracle/Batgirl]

Tina What does Barbara having or not having bladder control have to do with her having sex? The two of them are in no way connected to the other.

[Grae Leigh]

I agree on the rush writing thing.
Ahh if only we had a complete season, that'd have been soooooo great :shake:

Besides maybe they wanted to really show Babs as a normal person, not only a crime fighter that they felt that having a boyfriend wasn't enough, seeing them after their lovemaking would that even more.

Dinah is in high school so that's easy, and Helena is a bartender which means they have a lots of contacts/friends, and maybe Babs might have less since she's a teacher.

As for the 'fast thing' GL2814, that surprised me not because of Babs' character, but because of the conversation they had with Wade right before, to take things slowly.

L8rs !
GL
:surf:

[GL2814]

You make a good pont GL( can't beleve I said that, I feel like I'm talking to myself)
But I still think it was more along the lines of something Helelna would do. Though I do have to keep in mind that the writers of this show were not really concerned with what the fans knew and liked already.

[Oracle/Batgirl]

I agree with you on that last part GL. If the writers did care. They would have picked one direction and stuck with it. Instead of flip flopping back and forth. Between embracing the Batman lore and ignoring it.

[tina_flute]

well if you feel you have to go to the bathroom them i think you could feel intercorse. (can i say that on her? if i cant i am sorry.)

[GL2814]

It doesn't really work that way tina. I asked a very good friend of mine about it and was informed that it's completely different. Plus when you think about it, it shouldn't be so confusing. Just think of how your body works. You have two different areas to expell waist, but only one sex organ. It should really be common sence, but most people including myself don't usually think about that.

[Grae Leigh]

I think too that the mix between Helena and Babs behaviours is weird. I doubt that apart from some kiss, Helena and Reese shared more. But heck, Babs is the older one !! lol

But I although think that it's cool that they developped some storylines for Babs, not only seeing her as a crimefighter in a wheelchair.

Looks like many 'technicals' from the show weren't indeed concerned about storylines and such : Babs talking to Helena about Wade's parents' behaviour before she actually had dinner with them, proves it all.

L8rs !

[GL2814]

I almost forgot about that conversation.

[Grae Leigh]

hehe that's me pointing out others' mistakes :devil:

I still wonder how such a thing could happen .... :shrug:

[SevenSlave]

Originally posted by Grae Leigh
Looks like many 'technicals' from the show weren't indeed concerned about storylines and such : Babs talking to Helena about Wade's parents' behaviour before she actually had dinner with them, proves it all.


I agree ...

The editing was horrendous. :(

[jaguarin]

No, was horrendous the guys that did it were blind...

[tina_flute]

i agree. and thanks for seting me strait GL. didn't think about it that way

[GL2814]

Don't worry about it, I had to be set strait too.

[tina_flute]

yep it happens. although it was a good theory. :)

[comicraze22]

after reading what others had said, i do agree (based on what i've found out) that it's possible to have sex even though one is paralyzed from the waist down. i mean one can still feel it when sex is being engaged.... but, tina, how do you know that barbara still has bladder control?

cos' from what i know, for a person who is paralyzed waist down, he or she will not be able to feel the fullness of the bladder and thus won't feel a sense of urgency to go to the washroom, which leads to no bladder control...

there are basically 2 types of scenarios for paraplegics: one would be to have a reflex bladder where it empties itself as and when it likes with the person having no control over it; the next would be a flaccid bladder which fills up and becomes distended when it's full but it does not empty itself automatically, so the person has to empty it himself or herself manually by way of a catheter every 3 to 4 hours....

i know this is a little out of the topic but to say that barbara can have sex maybe because she still has bladder control doesn't sound right to me.... the two are in no relation to each other actually but i'm just telling you guys what i know for those who are interested about the bladder thingy, since tina mentioned it... :)

[GL2814]

Actually there are more than just two scenarios. I have a friend who is in a chair and they have partial control. I've also met a guy once who had full controll over his "functions" but not his legs. He could feel when he had to use the restroom and his wife embaressed the hell out of him by telling the rest of his business. But not everyone is like that. It really depends on which nerves are damaged and which ones aren't.

[comicraze22]

hmm....i guess it's a case by case basis. thanks, GL for providing some facts, at least it goes to show that the human bodies are really something amazing, not to mention unpredictable at times... :D

[tina_flute]

yes this is very interesting. thanks for the info GL

[GL2814]

You're welcome guys, but I wouldn't have found out about alot of it if not for you bringing it up.

[Bobbie]

it is possible for some one to have sex and live a normal life even with being in a wheel chair. Most people look at us and say because your in a wheel chair and can't feel your legs then you must not be good in bed. I have what is called CP witch is similar to Ms but you are born with it. Both me and my step grandmother have CP while I have let to actually have kids she has a daughter and a son about my fathers age. It just means that we have to change the way we do things. If you break you good arm don't you have to learn how to do things with your bad arm? it is the same with us. IF you are wondering what CP is you can contact me and I will tell you. I think that I am done ranting for now.

[GL2814]

Actually you made a good point with that and added something I forgot to mention.
btw Welcome to the show.

[Bobbie]

what points did I make or were you refering to someone else?

[GL2814]

Well you brought up how some things have to take the place of others and so on. Though you're alot different than Barbara Gordon, you've had your whole life to fully understnad yourself, she's only had a few years.

[Bobbie]

yeah but it is still hard to deal with, everyone looks at you different. Nomadder how long you have been in a wheelchair or any mental 'issues'.

[GL2814]

Trust me I know the feeling. My brother is mentally retarded and I do alot of volantear work at his school, several of the kids there are in chairs and they all have worse problems than us. I've also spent time in a chair myself do to my arthritis and I remember the looks I would get. Though I'm fine now and have it under control.

[Bobbie]

that is good to hear. I hope that everything goes well with your family.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Originally posted by Bobbie
everyone looks at you different
Not everyone looks at you differently. ;) There are some of us that don't care if you are in a chair or not. Not everyone is programmed to think you are different - people are people... sitting or standing.

[Grae Leigh]

rightie, and if only people would see past physical appearance, that'd help a lot.
But that's not gonna happen with the world we live in.

I thought it was cool that they did show a strong leading character in a wheelchair.
But i'm going off topic here, so I'm going now *wink*

L8rs !
GL

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

I will admit that I do notice physical appearance and can be shallow but that has nothing to do with being in a chair or not. If I saw a hot girl in a chair, I'd be drooling over her, just the same. :D

[tina_flute]

LOL your funny sgh

[GL2814]

Originally posted by Sxygrrl Huntress
I will admit that I do notice physical appearance and can be shallow but that has nothing to do with being in a chair or not. If I saw a hot girl in a chair, I'd be drooling over her, just the same. :D
I'm the same way there. I still remember this girl I met back in 96, she was extremely hot. The only thing is she was the most shallow person I've ever met. So don't let a chair be an excuse. I think it's obvious by now that one of the reasons so many people like the Barbara Gordon character so much is because she doesn't let her chair get in the way of her life and nobody else should either.

[comicraze22]

I just read an article in the papers about how schools in my country are building disabled-friendly facilities to cater to disabled students in their community. Friends went all the way to lend their disabled friends a helping hand and the able-bodied students respect them for who they are and the fact that they never give up in the face of adversity, even though they can't walk or run.

It warmed my heart to read that article and it shows that the society still do treat the disabled people as like any others, doesn't matter if they get around in wheelchair or crutches. In fact, i've got a couple of friends who are deaf but they are just like you and i, nothing different, but others beg to differ (those who looked at us while we were signing away)... :rolleyes:

p.s hope i'm not out of topic...

[Bobbie]

Actually your not that far off from the topic. Hi by the way, I'm bobbie. Just to let you know I am in a wheelchair and I have a friend thats blind and 3 that are deaf. The schools where I am at has a special class for the Physicaly handcapped, that helps us with learning how to fit in to society after school. But other than that we attend as regular classes as we can.

[comicraze22]

Hi , Bobbie, nice to meet you. Well, it seems like different countries have different ways of doing things when it comes to helping the disabled. Many disabled students in my country go to mainstream schools and they don't have special classes, they juts mixed around and fit in with other able-bodied students in class. To make things easier for them, special facilities are installed around the schools.

Of course, we do have special schools for the disabled but it's up to individual family to decide if they want to send their child to a normal school or a special school. Most opt for the former, which i think is good, since it helps them to integrate with society which will come in handy when they go to work in future... Life is much easier for the disabled now as compared to in the past.

[Bobbie]

To each government their own.. Which country do you live in? I take all advanced class and college classes as well the special class is to "help" us live normal lives Like I said before I have friends who are blind

[GL2814]

I was wondering the same thing. The only "special" scholls I know of are for mentally handicapped like the one my brother goes to. Everyone I've known in a chair who was just physically dissabled went to regular schools, but not the high school I went to. Almost every building on that campus has stairs and no ramps or elevators, and now thanks to budget cuts they wont get them anytime soon.

[Bobbie]

I don't know what my new school is going to be like, I'm moving again here this summer. Some schools that I have been in over the years have had wings just for the handicapped and mental challeged. Thats probly why I hate school at times but I have a thurst for knowledge. Now I have a question durning the summer of 2005 I am going to be heading to college and the college that I have said that I am going to will allow me to have my own dorm room and a dog if I choose to but it has to be a people friendly dog. The only dog that my family owns is a Red Heeler, they are farm dogs. I am wondering if you guys have any suggestions on what breed of Dog should I get, I want a dog that is easy to take care of and it doesn't take much to train it.

[GL2814]

I'd suggest you get a dog who's already trained. Maybe a retired police dog if you can. Just call all the local shelters and ask around. Besides, it's gonna be your choice in the end anyway.

[comicraze22]

Originally posted by Bobbie
To each government their own.. Which country do you live in?

I live in Singapore, but i don't find my country very disabled-friendly, since i don't see many people in wheelchairs going about town, only on a few occasions do i spot them. But then, i must say at least the system is improving.

I would suggest a Labrador Retriever cos' it's a people-friendly dog and besides, it's highly trainable but as what GL said, do get an already trained one. Though doing the training yourself will strengthen the bond between you and your buddy, but it's up to you.

[Bobbie]

I'm looking right now, I plan on buying a dog when we get settled in after we move across country again. As Singapore, my dad has told me a lot about it. I think England, Canada, and the Us are the best at being Handicapped acessable. But then again those are the only places that I have lived other than Japan, and their I did nothing because I was inside all day. I was homed schooled

[GL2814]

I hate to break this up, but this thread has gotten way off topic now.

[comicraze22]

I WAS out of topic... :laugh:. Well, i guess we better stop this discussion and try to get back on track or something...