Oracle and Dinah are the Birds of Prey !

[William]

If the show gets cancelled, what about a spin-off like

Birds of Prey (Now without scene-taker Huntress)

The Show can be all about Oracle and Dinah (now named Black Canary)... and it's about them working as a team (yes, a team, finally we see them as a team- isn't it wonderful not having The Huntress around, ruining the show)

And each episode could focus not just one character, but the whole cast (Cool). And the show is all about Oracle and her friend Black Canary trying to rid Gotham of it scary villians each week. And these villians include humans and meta-humans (Genius). And Harley Quinn (this version actually does something, rather than sit on her ass, shouting orders) is on the loose, wearing a costume, trying to get rid of BOP.

And in each episode, it focuses on the lives of our 2 brave heroes, their love life, work and their past and future. Each villian is more interesting than the next. Sometimes reappearing, causing havoc.
A big season bad at the end, who is not bad, but likeable too, for being bad, and is cool.

Now wouldn't that be great !:)

[Frostbite]

Sort of, but it's just some sort of wimpy fantasy.

[William]

A fantasy, yes, but wimpy , no. I don't think so. Birds of Prey, the series on a whole would have been better. If they didn't change the original concept (of the comics) so much.

[destiny]

I guess its okay but you can't just kick huntress out of the whole thing! Even if shes in it alot doesn't mean it should be all abou Oracle and Dinah...

[William]

What about this, The Huntress decides to go off, and find her dad (Batman) to get to know him, allowing Babs/Oracle and Dinah to finally get some screen-time ?:)

[Dark Phoenix II]

I'm all for giving Dinah more screentime! :D

[DizzyOracle]

Dinah and Oracle both need more screentime. It would certainly please lotsa viewers! :nod:

[Lance]

Definitely more Barbara/Oracle! More Dinah, okay, but Barbara first!

[DizzyOracle]

Looks like we're gonna get lotsa Barbara in Lady Shiva. I cried when i saw its preview at the end of Split. :tear:

[Lance]

Haven't seen the tape of the show or the preview yet, but I'm ready for more Barbara!

[TheOracle]

Being a Brit I ahven't seen the spoiler for Lady Shiva, but if she's anything like she is from Knights End then OH MY GOD! Is all I'm saying. Maybe they should hire the help of doctor Shondra Kinsolving? :P

[Cassandra Cain]

Originally posted by William
A fantasy, yes, but wimpy , no. I don't think so. Birds of Prey, the series on a whole would have been better. If they didn't change the original concept (of the comics) so much.

AMEN! :D

*adds her 11 cents*

This show had such amazing potential and they threw it away by changing it and trying to make it on the Charmed model. (I love Charmed, but this show should have been done differently.) There was plenty of material to draw from in the comics that could have made an outstanding show. They could even have used the Huntress as Batman's daughter character and still kept pretty true to its origins...

[Frostbite]

What is it with you and adding "11 cents" ?

[Neptune's Rose]

Well 11 cents is more than 2 cents. But I think that giving more screen time to Dinah and Babs is a great idea. Babs has so much depth and we are only beginning to see that in the show.

[Psychic Oracle]

If they did remake the series, it should be about Oracle and Black Canary (Babs and Dinah) with Huntress as a reoccuring guest star whenever stories required her. Maybe Commissioner Gordon could be there...

Okay, now I'm dreaming.

But still, a series based on the Comics would be great, or with a little more basis in the comics. A series that is more Alias style (espionage, mystery, ect) instead of the camp woudl be amazing!

I agree with the original post: Oracle and Dinah are the Birds of Prey! I do like Huntress... but I don't think she should be so prevalent in the series.

[Lance]

I'm neutral (as distinguished from ambivalent) about whether Huntress ought to be part of Birds of Prey. Ideally, as the focus of the storylines shifts, each of the Birds would be a 'guest star' of sorts ... playing a lesser role as the others get the emphasis. The weakness of that argument is what we saw in this iteration of the series: Barbara was shoved into the background again and again, and we didn't get to see this wonderful character (and Dina Meyer) shine until it was too late.
I'm not sure the series should be based more on the comic books. Yes, the series should be true to its roots, but slavery to an explanation of the details of the lore creates clutter for the millions of viewers who are not well-versed in who said what in Issue #***. I think that's what I've found most frustrating --- the historic overload that got in the way of the stories. Think of all the time that could have been spent (and confusion spared) if gratuitous references to the Batman mythos had been used instead for character development.
None of this should be taken as disagreement with Psychic Oracle. As I wrote at the beginning, I'm not sure about a lot of what went right or wrong with the series. Writing, as everyone knows, was uneven; continuity was spotty; and some of the acting has been marginal. Other factors, it seems to me, come down to our own preferences for what should be or what we expect from the series.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

If the show were to be continued without Huntress, I would not be fighting like hell to keep it on the air.

I do agree that the others should get more screen time but I LOVE Ashley Scott, totally love her character and without her, I have no passion for the show. To me it's like Buffy The Vampire Slayer without Buffy.

I would love to see more episodes like Shiva where they are each doing their own thing but still coming together for advice/support/friendship. I don't want to see Huntress wasting conversation with Reese when she can be spending that time with Barbara. They are supposed to be family - well show us that bond.

And more subtext..... don't take Helena away - instead have her spend most of her time with Barbara. That way Oracle fans will be happy, Huntress fans will be happy and subtext fans will be happy. And for those Dinah fans wondering if I want Dinah in the fantasy idea of how I want the birds... well Dinah's made herself a new friend at school and I would *love* to see more of that.

And this is my 25cents...... (I have to put in more due to the low Canadian exchange rate...)

[Lance]

I think that's what I've missed, Sxygrrl --- the interaction of the three, acting as one. We didn't see that until 'Lady Shiva'. We saw instead three women, each hot in her own right, who happened to talk to each other once in a while. I got little sense of chemistry, that they even cared for each other.

[Frostbite]

And Gabby, of course.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Well Gabby.... that's a given! I was so thrilled that when I shouted, I freaked my cats out.... Gabby rocks!

[Ted]

I wouldn't mind seeing Helena go but Dinah's just too young as she is to be in a 'team' with Oracle, and she has school. But I don't think there needs to be more subtext added for characters who don't quite have it at the moment - Barbara to me seems like an older sister or aunt to Helena and the concept of the two of them together sexually seems off to me. Their relationship doesn't make for a good pairing in that way in my opinion.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

I don't necessarily mean they have to "pair off" in the show, although I would have no complaints.

What I'm referring to is that they never share any affection. Well, there was a few hugs between Dinah and Helena but what about when Helena got down in front of a very sad Barbara? She could have clasped her hands, brushed the hair out of her eyes, touched her shoulder sympathetically, anything. All that falls in the catagory of subtext. From there, it leaves the viewer the option of reading whatever they want into it.

It's not about sex. But it's about affection and sexuality. More appealing. This is what I would like to see.

[Lance]

Right again, Sxygrrl. Damn, you're good!

[DizzyOracle]

Just like in Xena, subtext. Well done subtext too.

[Kea]

I have to totally agree with sxygrrl. Well said!

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

awe, you guys are making me blush :angel:

Yes, subtext just like in Xena. It made the show appeal to a wider audience and it makes the characters more real. Affection is important in life and should also be shown on tv.

Plus it gets me excited because I can let my imagination run away with all sorts of thoughts...

[Lance]

I'm not familiar with the way the comics handle this. Do they? How?

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

don't know... haven't read any...

[Lance]

It would be interesting to know if this is one more way the series followed --- or didn't follow --- the comics.

[DizzyOracle]

Wow, the series did not follow the comics. The only thing that is correct is Oracle/Barbara Gordon in that she was shot in by the Joker as Batgirl. In the comics, the Birds of Prey are Oracle and DINAH, not Huntress, although sometimes Huntress helps out Dinah on missions. In the comics, DINAH is a kick ass heroine, an adult. Dinah in the comics is like Huntress in the series. Dinah in the series is like nobody in the comics. Have to give a hand to the WB for making Oracle in the comics like Oracle in the series. Oh, btw, there is NO subtext at all in the comics between the girls. Dinah is usually the one who crushes on the guys she fights with/against. Dinah is so cool in the comics. Oracle is incredibly witty. Hope that helps some.

[Lance]

Yes, thank you! That's what I wanted to know, since I'm not at all versed in the comic version of BoP. Maybe that's why I enjoy the series so much --- I don't see the differences and I can watch the show for what it is.
Yes, by all means, WB does get credit for Barbara/Oracle on television, regardless of whether she's faithfully transplanted from the comics. I'm in awe...

[DizzyOracle]

Man, Dina Meyer rocks, doesn't she! She nailed Oracle down flat! Good thing she's an internet junkie cuz its easier to do research that way. :wink:

[Lance]

Yeah, I'm convinced she could take the most poorly-written character and give her life. She's incredible.

[DizzyOracle]

My god, absolutely amazing in Starship Troopers. Loved Dizzy, as you can see from my screenname. LOL

[Lance]

I noticed, but I have to admit that it took a while to sink in. Did I feel silly when the light finally went on! But I like it.

[DizzyOracle]

I also liked Dragonheart which she was in but never paid attention to her character. I was more fascinated with Sean voicing Draco. Cannot wait for Star Trek: Nemesis, even though she'll be covered in prosthetics...

[Lance]

What do you know about Dina's role in 'Nemesis'? I've seen the spots on TV --- some longer than others --- and have yet to see even a couple of frames of her. I've wondered how pivotal the character is. The problem with all the latex, of course, is that we can't see her as she is. It's a shame.

[DizzyOracle]

There is a 5 min trailer available on the net but she's only in there for a second. You can check out www.dinameyer.com and there is a thread on the forum there with the trailer. As for her role, she is a Romulan Cmdr. I don't think she is one of the main characters. She shot the film for 5 days so I doubt she'll be in the movie a lot. It's a shame...

[Psychic Oracle]

She plays Commander Donatra, a Romulan... but to a few aspects of her part are major spoilers for the movie! It's easy to say that Dina's part isn't the biggest, but she does have some good scenes!

[Ted]

Did you ever consider that a lack of affection shown is on purpose?

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Yes, I considered that.... although I can't really think of the reasoning behind it....

but this is how I would like to see the show.... more human elements

[Lance]

A deliberate lack of affection? I can't think of a good reason for that either. I think it came across that way because the emphasis has been on villains, fight scenes, and backstory. I, too, would like to see more human elements in the series, such as we saw in 'Lady Shiva'. Fight scenes are all over the place ... just change the channel and there's another one to consider ... but human characters that get some development are few and far between.

[Ivy]

After rewatching "Prey for the Hunter", Barbara fusses with Dinah's hair and clothing in an absent minded worry-mode. To the lack of Barbara/Helena affection, I think they might have mentioned that while Barbara trained and helped raise Helena, Helena never let her break through to her. That there are still walls between them.

*shrug* Doubt it's relevant, but I thought I'd throw it in there.

[DizzyOracle]

i noticed the hair scene too. There were lots of sweet things in this episode. Some funny lines as well. Reese isn't annoying either.

[Frostbite]

"You're channeling June Cleaver."

[ForeverOracle]

I am all for more Oracle screen time!! Huntress seems to be in EVERY SINGLE SCENE. And plus, the fact that Reese and her stand 2 inches away from eachother and never kiss just talk ANNOYS ME!!! LOL They have to stop denying it, God. Anyway, so yeah I'm all for Oracle and Dinah - they should have just as much screen time as Huntress. Huntress would be nothing without ORacle, remember that. ;)

[Lance]

Barbara/Oracle are easily the most complicated of the characters. It's a shame they haven't been given enough screen time. More balance is needed!