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CMBmovies
03-18-2005, 08:01 AM
Hey, just found this online and thought you guys would wanna see :)

http://www.ikuzostudioswest.com/birdsmain.html

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-19-2005, 11:46 AM
I wanted to confirm to everyone that we are currently into pre-production of the Birds of Prey fan film here in Pittsburgh PA. Our cast is almost complete and a teaser trailer will be ready in a week or so with two new trailers due out in May and June. The film will be based more on the comic than the tv series. So keep stopping by and ask any questions you need to. I wil try to answer them in a timely manner.

http://www.ikuzostudioswest.com

DrayvensCrow
03-19-2005, 07:14 PM
I'm sure we'll all be waiting on pins and needles for the chance to watch your movie! :thumb:

jrosesimba
03-19-2005, 09:01 PM
wow cool!!!! :shades:

jaguarin
03-19-2005, 11:12 PM
Excellent, good work... we wait for news

Pheonyx
03-20-2005, 01:36 PM
This should be an interesting project to check out... and I actually live a couple hours away from where they are filming it :D

-Ken

darkphoenix
03-20-2005, 04:45 PM
I'm definetly interested to see how this turns out. :cool:

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-20-2005, 05:06 PM
If you guys have any questions for me or any of the cast, please let me know.

Derek Quinzel
03-20-2005, 07:48 PM
You go guuuuuuuuurls!!! :stars:

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-21-2005, 07:21 AM
Ummmm...they're the girls. Well, I wouldnt call them girls. More like women. And I'm extremely proud to be working with them

Pheonyx
03-22-2005, 12:16 PM
I now wish that I still lived in the Pittsburgh area... I would have loved to been an extra for the film at least. BTW, have you cast Slade/Deathstroke yet? When I checked the website, there was nobody listed as being cast for the part and was wondering if that was just an oversight on the site. It looks like you have cast some very good choices for the characters so far, and I can't wait to see them in action.

-Ken

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-22-2005, 03:07 PM
Yes. We have casted Deathstroke the Terminator. The costume will not look like the comic book version. It just wasnt practical for a mercenary/soldier. I made the decision to use the Deathstroke/Slade costume similar to the one seen on the Teen Titans cartoon. I know I will get a LOT static for this. But it came down to practicality. He's a soldier. Not a hero. And the suit he wears on that show is perfect. But they will be referring to him as Deathstroke, not Slade.

jaguarin
03-22-2005, 03:22 PM
Im wondering... how did you solve the problem of the awful mask of Huntress?? I guess is uncomfortable...

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-22-2005, 03:39 PM
Actually, i like the new mask. It reminds me of Wolverine's mask. We will be having it made from an epoxy substance. It will glue onto her face (spirit gum). It wont be the huge thing that Ed Benes uses. But, it will be similar. Maybe a little smaller. But its important to me because you get a sense of the timeline by the costumes.

jaguarin
03-22-2005, 03:42 PM
That's true, I think sometimes people dont think in what is most comfortable toi fight. if I would be a hero and wear some of the costumes that people draw in comics, I would be most worried to avoid it fall, are uncomfortale swimbaths and masks.

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-22-2005, 03:47 PM
We made them as compfortable as possible. We are not using the latex rubber suits you see in the Batman movies. They would kill these women in the summer. So we are going with lightweight fabrics like lycra or spandex. Even Batgirls cowl will be made of a heavy fabric called buckram.

themaninblack
03-22-2005, 06:26 PM
IkuZoFilmMaker - Congratulations in getting a BOP film up and running. Although it's early days I wish you well in all aspects of the project. A wisp of nostalgia ran over me as I looked at your site and very attractive cast. Cheers Ian

SevenSlave
03-22-2005, 06:41 PM
I think sometimes people dont think in what is most comfortable toi fight. if I would be a hero and wear some of the costumes that people draw in comics, I would be most worried to avoid it fall, are uncomfortale swimbaths and masks.


I agree ...

Huntress's current costume is terribly impractical, IMO. :(

I prefer the Pre-Benes outfit to the current one. :)

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-22-2005, 08:38 PM
If we had used the older Huntress costume that would have signified an earlier time in history. I wanted the fans to know exactly when this was happening. Also, the newer costume (what there is of it) is much easier for the actress to move in

SevenSlave
03-24-2005, 06:33 PM
Actually, i like the new mask. It reminds me of Wolverine's mask. We will be having it made from an epoxy substance. It will glue onto her face (spirit gum).

Didn't the X-Men drop the yellow spandex after the movie came out? :hmm:

the panther
03-24-2005, 11:49 PM
He still wears it, proud and true. :D

http://marvel.com/catalog/listing.htm?category=WOLVERINE

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 07:47 AM
He's right. Wolverine went back to the mask and yellow spandex. He's even an Avenger now not just an X-Man. But back to the original thought.

Let me ask all the Birds of Prey fans. Would you rather see Huntress in the Jim Lee/Ed Benes outfit?
Or, would you rather see her in her original costume? Right now its not to late to make the change. Im just curious as to what the fans want.

Thanks

SevenSlave
03-25-2005, 09:15 AM
^ IkuZo, panther is a GIRL. ;)


(It's OK ... you're not the first one to make that mistake. :laugh: )

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 09:37 AM
Many apologies to Panther..but regardless..here is the question


Ok. I've been in pre-production for a Birds of Prey fan film for about a month now. And the biggest thing I hear about is the Huntress costume. I get questions on which costume to use. So I think I am going to leave it up to the fans, which is who, the film is made for.

Which costume would you rather see the live-action Huntress in?

The Jim Lee/Ed Benes costume or the original

jaguarin
03-25-2005, 11:28 AM
Many apologies to Panther..but regardless..here is the question


Ok. I've been in pre-production for a Birds of Prey fan film for about a month now. And the biggest thing I hear about is the Huntress costume. I get questions on which costume to use. So I think I am going to leave it up to the fans, which is who, the film is made for.

Which costume would you rather see the live-action Huntress in?

The Jim Lee/Ed Benes costume or the original

It's interesting what big problem is to choose something simple as a costume. Maybe this will help us to understand why so many changes in real productions. People always want see what they like, and thinking we are millions of fans, and that everyone wants something different, the decition turns really a big p.... in the a... for the producers.

Now Im wondering what kind of argument are yout hinking. Thte plot is really another big thing. Ill like suggest ypou that after this BOP Comic film would you try a BOP tv show film? The possibilities of the TV show are big, and maybe yuo can do an excellent work...

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 12:37 PM
Its not a difficult thing. I think you might be putting more into this than there should be. I am letting the Birds of Prey fans choose which type of costume Huntress will wear. Either the Jim Lee/Ed Benes costume or her original. Im not doing a tv series film. Nothing against the series. I really enjoyed it. But, the comic continues while the series does not. This is the Huntress I know and love. She's ruthless. She's not a meta-human. And she will shoot a crossbow bolt into you without heistation. This is something for the FANS. The series came from the comic book. So, Im doing the comic book costumes. I cant do the tv series film even if I wanted to at this point. There is no Poison Ivy costume in the series. There is no Deathstroke costume in the series. There is no Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) costume in the series. So please, this is for the fans who love the charecters. You get to choose the costume we will use. Lets have some fun with this and not take it so serilously

Thanks

SevenSlave
03-25-2005, 01:01 PM
AWGTHTGTTA?!! :shake:



The Silver Age Huntress (Helena Wayne) WAS indeed the daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle a.k.a. Catwoman. Helena Kyle was a combination of both the Silver Age (Helena Wayne) and Modern (Helena Bertinelli) Huntresses (She possessed Helena Wayne's genealogy and Helena Bertinelli's personality.)

Conclusion: the Huntress in the series WAS in the comics.



We've compiled a Viewer's Guide (http://www.birdsofpreyonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6360) that should clear a lot of things up (including the issue of her meta-abilities.)

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 01:08 PM
Alright. I can see that people are taking this WAY too seriously. There is no 3rd choice here.
We are choosing the costume for Helena Bertinelli. Not Helena Wayne. Not Helena Kyle.

The Birds of Prey are Black Canary, Huntress and Oracle. Thats it. Im not going to the Silver or Golden Age. Im giving the fans a choice of costumes. I thought this would be a fun project. They would pick one and the costume with the most votes would be put into the film. Im pleading with everyone in the boards, HAVE SOME FUN WITH THIS PEOPLE!!!

Two choices not 1000 choices thats it. If you want the tv costume or the silver age. WRITE YOUR OWN SCRIPT.

This is the BoP from the CURRENT COMIC BOOK. Now Let's start over and have some fun and not make this increasingly more frustrating.

Thanks

SevenSlave
03-25-2005, 01:13 PM
Do what you want with the fan film. It's your show.


I'm simply pointing out a fact.


I'm sorry if it seems I've jumped on you ... but we've had to answer these same questions over and over again for almost three years now. It's frankly getting tiresome. :(

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 01:18 PM
Yes. I know the facts. This is not about the facts. I will start over for those who dont pay attention

WE ARE LETTING THE FANS CHOOSE BETWEEN 2 COSTUMES...NOT 4 OR 6...2

This is fun. Pick one. We pick a president every 4 years and we usually only have 2 choices. Why are you looking for the H Ross Perot write in candidate. Just pick one of the 2 costumes.

Have fun with this. This is a chance for people to make a decision in the production on a film

Thanks

jaguarin
03-25-2005, 01:23 PM
Yesm tthis is just for fun, and different points of view is part of the show, you shot crazy ideas, and maybe some one is interesting or possible to realize.... Dont take this serious..

Eternal Paladin
03-25-2005, 01:29 PM
I think the original costume is the best. I mean... it just looks COOL. (Just so there's no confusion... I mean the Helena Bertinelli original costume.) I think it's really cool that you want to know what the fans think.

I completely understand, too, that a change in costume back to the original might seem to signify a change in the time period in the movie. But, if that's not a factor, I'd definitely go with the original.

LisaM
03-25-2005, 01:35 PM
As a non-comic book reader, I have no opinion (or knowledge) about Huntress' costume. I just want to chime in that this whole conversation is cracking me up.

SevenSlave
03-25-2005, 01:36 PM
I wasn't talking about the costume. I could frankly care less about what Huntress wears.


I was talking about something far more important than the costume ... something much more basic. When someone says, "the Huntress in the series was never in the comics", I feel a need to respond.

Eternal Paladin
03-25-2005, 01:41 PM
Yeah, we can see that. Only... this is the post above your's... and he never ONCE said that Huntress wasn't in the comic. Only that he wanted to do the current Huntress that he alreadys knows and loves.

Its not a difficult thing. I think you might be putting more into this than there should be. I am letting the Birds of Prey fans choose which type of costume Huntress will wear. Either the Jim Lee/Ed Benes costume or her original. Im not doing a tv series film. Nothing against the series. I really enjoyed it. But, the comic continues while the series does not. This is the Huntress I know and love. She's ruthless. She's not a meta-human. And she will shoot a crossbow bolt into you without heistation. This is something for the FANS. The series came from the comic book. So, Im doing the comic book costumes. I cant do the tv series film even if I wanted to at this point. There is no Poison Ivy costume in the series. There is no Deathstroke costume in the series. There is no Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) costume in the series. So please, this is for the fans who love the charecters. You get to choose the costume we will use. Lets have some fun with this and not take it so serilously

Thanks

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 01:45 PM
One last time Seven

No one here said that. I am giving the FANS a chance to make a decision on the c-o-s-t-u-m-e
COSTUME. If you have no opinion, good. We took your vote for what it was worth. Thats all this is.
I think you misinterpreted along the way or saw one thing when it was something else. But lets try it again. OK?

The FANS will get a choice of TWO costumes. Both were worn by HELENA BERTINELLI.
The Jim Lee/Ed Benes costume or the original HELENA BERTINELLI costume (Did you notice I typed HELENA BERTINELLI?) We will then use the costume from the two that gets the most votes (Again I typed from the 2..got that Seven?)

Again, Lets have fun with this everyone

Sxygrrl Huntress
03-25-2005, 02:17 PM
How about showing a link with both costumes for non-comic readers like me. I don't know what costume is which. I know there is one with purple and black - one of our members dressed like that for Halloween one year ( :scared: ) I would vote on which one I liked better if I knew what both looked like.

Are you sure there's no third option? :um: :whistle:

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 02:32 PM
Fair Question.

Ok here are links for both costumes

This is the original costume http://www.braveandthebold.net/characters/1334.html

This is the Jim Lee/Ed Benes Costume http://www.canarynoir.com/main.php?page=galleries&gallery=bopall&sort=59

Sxygrrl Huntress
03-25-2005, 02:41 PM
Ewww, yuck! I'd definately say go for the original costume. The other one, yeesh, no comparison. My vote is for the Bertinelli one.

jaguarin
03-25-2005, 02:49 PM
Yes, this is about fun, its jus a way to relax and enjoy your best hobby. Go ahead Filmaker!!!!

After this can you do a BOP tv show film??? Would be great see what could you explote about it!

Jesse321
03-25-2005, 05:37 PM
Conclusion: the Huntress in the series WAS in the comics.I'm not even going to get into this one with you other than to say "NO she hasn't, wasn't or ever will!

Combination of attributes ... maybe but the charactor herself ... NOT.

Ok here are links for both costumesIku .... PLEASE use the orginal costume!!! Huntress is my favorite charactor of all time and I have HATED that new costume since it first premiered ... I'm hoping that Gail gets rid of it soon ... except for the mask, the alterations made to he mask are very cool, because it's an homage to the original pre-crisis Huntress.

Just one word in your ear, visually speaking (and ages not withstanding) Christina is better suited to play Cassandra since Cassandra is of Asian decent, and Sarah is MUCH MORE suited visually to play Huntress/Helena. Laura is DEAD ON Black Canary ... Bravo on some kick butt casting !!

**********************

PS ... by the way ... Ed Benes had nothing to do with he costume's design, that was all Jim Lee's fault, Ed just got stuck with it when he took over the series.

jaguarin
03-25-2005, 06:30 PM
How about showing a link with both costumes for non-comic readers like me. I don't know what costume is which. I know there is one with purple and black - one of our members dressed like that for Halloween one year ( :scared: ) I would vote on which one I liked better if I knew what both looked like.

Are you sure there's no third option? :um: :whistle:


I hope this third option not means "bare skin" SGH...

themaninblack
03-25-2005, 06:54 PM
IkuZoFilmMaker - WHAT A CAN OF WORMS YOU HAVE OPENED. I should have warned you about some of the posters here. It was good of you to open the costume debate for these fans. IF ONLY, some of them could take it in the manner in which it was offered. Your heart seems to be in the right place, Just make the film YOU want to make and thoroughly enjoy the experience. Your explanations are clear to me and I applaud your sharing the process. Cheers Ian

P.S. Just a word of advice. Don't let out too much information about the script. Keep it close to your chest. Once again, good luck.

jaguarin
03-25-2005, 07:00 PM
Ian, we are cute worms...

********
P.S. Just a word of advice. Don't let out too much information about the script. Keep it close to your chest. Once again, good luck.
*********

Mmmm... dont listen him Film maker, don't listen him!!!..... :devil: :D

themaninblack
03-25-2005, 07:08 PM
JAG - Landy, I don't want to be picky, but, did you really mean to say "don't listen to him" - I do think my advice has some merit.

yank2324
03-25-2005, 07:11 PM
Thanks Jesse for pointing out the correct facts about Huntress! I remember both incarnations of Huntress. But onto the costumes...I have to agree with Jesse since he was so drop dead georgeous in the original Huntress costume. The first one would really do the character justice. I do hope that Ed and Gail will go back to the old costume or maybe a hybrid of both costumes together.


Oh and I do agree with Ian on a couple of points. Don't leak the script! I for one want to be surprised when I see this film and man you need a little Alfred somewhere he is like the chief listener and advice giver when the main bat is away. I wish you much luck on this project and I for one can't wait to see the finished product.

SevenSlave
03-25-2005, 08:49 PM
Now what kind of Bat-fans would we be if we didn't fight over the costumes? :D ;)



***cough*** "What's with the nipples?" ***cough*** "He can't turn his head!" ***cough***

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 10:30 PM
Ok. I saw a post a lil while ago that questioned the casting of Huntress and Batgirl. Heres where we stand. No one in the cast is asian. NOBODY. we did our best to find someone of asian decent to play the part but there was no one interested in our area to do it. Christina Kenny is of Italian decent. So is Huntress. She will make a great one.

Sxygrrl Huntress
03-25-2005, 10:33 PM
I think Jag knows it's good to keep the script secret - she just has a high curiousity level and waiting is a killer. She's always bugging writers on this board for the next chapters because she's so anxious.

Jesse321
03-25-2005, 10:38 PM
Wow ... maybe it's the angle of the picture but Christina sure looks Asian, actually she looks ALOT like Jennifer Tilly in that picture.

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-25-2005, 10:43 PM
Christina Kenny is NOT asian at all. Sorry but you blew the call on this one. She is definitely italian. :bang:

Sxygrrl Huntress
03-25-2005, 10:52 PM
Okay, maybe it's just the way I'm intrepreting things but I think too many people need to chill out in this thread. Fans of comics always seem to be very passionate, which is fine, but from all parties participating in this thread, take a deep breath and remember that this is all for fun. If you have suggestions for the film, keep in mind that while it's okay to have ideas of what you would like to see, this project is owned by someone else who is going to create their own vision.

And if you are the owner of this vision, keep in mind that fans are going to have an opinion and if you post your announcement in a public forum, people are going to share their views and while you may not like their suggestions, that does not mean you have to follow them, but everyone is entitled to their thoughts.

Jesse321
03-26-2005, 08:21 AM
Christina Kenny is NOT asian at all. Sorry but you blew the call on this one. She is definitely italian. :bang:Excuse me, but with all due respect, I just looked back at my post and at no point did say she was, I said Cassandra is of Asain decent and implied that Christina "LOOKED" because of the angle of the picture, I even made mention in a later post that she looked like Jennifer Tilly. So, you "blew" your call on this one as well ... she could be Hungarian for all I know, since I don't know her or anyone else in the cast personally, I'm merely going by appearences (which often times can be deceiving)

SGH ... yes, comics fans are very passionate about charactors they've grown to know and love, but some of us were very accepting and supportive of the show, dispite it's butchering of the comics source material.

In any case, I'm still very much looking forward to seeing this project when it's finished.

jaguarin
03-26-2005, 09:20 AM
JAG - Landy, I don't want to be picky, but, did you really mean to say "don't listen to him" - I do think my advice has some merit.
Okay, okay, I apologyze.... what about he hides the tittle and he show us the script?. :devil:

I think Jag knows it's good to keep the script secret - she just has a high curiousity level and waiting is a killer. She's always bugging writers on this board for the next chapters because she's so anxious.
MEEEE?????????

MMMMM I need do something with my reputation....

Btw... Filmaker... Im curious, where this project comes from? How did you get the actors?

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-26-2005, 10:38 AM
Where did this project come from?

So far the best question Ive gotten. When I found out I was going to be a father to a brand new baby girl almost 2 years ago, my eyes were opened to the VERY few strong female superheroes that had made it to film and tv. I wanted to give her something to aspire to. At the time, it was either Wonder Woman or the Birds of Prey. Wonder Woman is such an icon that no one can live up to. So, Black Canary, Barbara Gordon and Helena Bertinelli were "volunteered". And as I started reading the comic, they acted and responded like "real" women. So this film is for my 16 month old daughter Faith. And right now Im doing everything possible to make sure that this will be something she can be proud of as she grows up

SevenSlave
03-26-2005, 11:20 AM
SGH ... yes, comics fans are very passionate about charactors they've grown to know and love, but some of us were very accepting and supportive of the show, dispite it's butchering of the comics source material.


A lot of us don't see it as butchery (You still have Huntress, Dinah, and Oracle ... albeit different versions of each.)

IMO, BOP was closer to the comics than "Catwoman" (Absolutely no relationship to the comics beyond the name! :eek: )

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-26-2005, 12:48 PM
Wanted to let everyone know that we will continue the voting for the Huntress costume at our message board on the IkuZo! Studios West website. So please, if you want to see your favorite costume go there an let us know which one and why

Thanks


http://www.ikuzostudioswest.com

Jesse321
03-26-2005, 12:59 PM
A lot of us don't see it as butchery (You still have Huntress, Dinah, and Oracle ... albeit different versions of each.)Seven, you can consider it what you like, but the only charactors on the show that were even remotely close to the books were Barbara and Alfred. As to the concept (Batman leaving Gotham, New Gotham, No Man's Land Bar, Shiva's origin, Dinah being a touch telepath [a concept which was basically dropped after the first episode] then a telekintic, I could go on and on, but it's pointless) that was butchery ... that doesn't mean it wasn't an interesting concept in and of itself, as I've said before, it was, but it wasn't the books.

IMO, BOP was closer to the comics than "Catwoman" (Absolutely no relationship to the comics beyond the name! :eek: )No arguement there.

jaguarin
03-26-2005, 01:09 PM
Yes, in the books, Black Canary is much as Huntress of the TV show... it amazed me know that she knew Oracle almost until number 20 or 21....

And the cast... how was choose the cast?

LisaM
03-26-2005, 04:03 PM
One of the main reasons I started watching BoP was for the strong female role models. I can definitely see why you would want your daughter to have characters she could look up to.

Best of luck with your film.

jaguarin
03-26-2005, 08:00 PM
We, the women, usually are mazing... :D

Another question... How did you get the cast? are friends?

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-26-2005, 10:49 PM
Actually, I posted for actors to do this. There are some family and friends that will appear in smaller roles. But, these are up and coming actors and actresses who want to do this.

srfrgrl
03-28-2005, 12:00 PM
Congradulations on the movie, I wish you the best of luck with it. How are you planning on distributing the film once its complete?

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-28-2005, 12:32 PM
The film will be available for download from our website. We will also send it to IFilms and Atom Films. I want the acttors and actresses to have as much exposure as possible. So if there is another site that will help with the download, let me know.

Sxygrrl Huntress
03-28-2005, 12:36 PM
The best way to get quick distribution is to upload the file to a file-sharing site that hosts movies, tv shows, etc. I'll PM you with the main site I use, although it may not be around by then.

You also might consider burning the file on cd's and give a bunch to comic stores.

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-28-2005, 01:12 PM
We will be promoting the film heavily very soon. So far we've let the fans know that its coming via messege boards and other websites. Soon we will have several mini-cd's that will have behind the scenes info, cast pics, cast interviews and trailers. It will also debut our new web series and the possibility of a Birds of Prey 2.

yank2324
03-28-2005, 04:05 PM
This all sounds very good FilmMaker. I know the conventions may be a way to get it out there too. Haven't been to one in ages but there are tons of dealers around there.

jaguarin
03-28-2005, 05:09 PM
Mmm what about an experiment with BOP version TV???

DrayvensCrow
03-28-2005, 05:27 PM
This all sounds very good FilmMaker. I know the conventions may be a way to get it out there too. Haven't been to one in ages but there are tons of dealers around there.

It might work as long as no reps from WB/DC show up! Those guys love to squash fanflicks!

BTW, I think that the casting choices were great. Although, IMO, I'd look better as Lex. LOL

Pheonyx
03-28-2005, 06:42 PM
This all sounds very good FilmMaker. I know the conventions may be a way to get it out there too. Haven't been to one in ages but there are tons of dealers around there.

I go to several gaming (RPG/CCG/Miniatures) conventions each year, and I have seen several dealers selling DVD compilations of different fanfilms (Batman: Dead End, Grayson and World's Finest faux-trailers, etc)... even if you don't actually go there to sell your film, you could always rent a booth at these events and play it in a loop, getting some attention for your fanfilm. There is going to be a huge convention not too far from your location that you might be interested in attending... believe me, those other booths had a pretty decent crowd around them every time I went near them. Feel free to contact me via PM, and I can tell you who to contact privately.

-Ken

Jesse321
03-28-2005, 07:07 PM
It might work as long as no reps from WB/DC show up! Those guys love to squash fanflicks!Fat chance of that DC and Marvel (and thier collective writer and artist teams) are the staples of most of the larger Cons.

the panther
03-29-2005, 02:42 AM
He's right. Wolverine went back to the mask and yellow spandex. He's even an Avenger now not just an X-Man. But back to the original thought.

Let me ask all the Birds of Prey fans. Would you rather see Huntress in the Jim Lee/Ed Benes outfit?
Or, would you rather see her in her original costume? Right now its not to late to make the change. Im just curious as to what the fans want.

Thanks
^ IkuZo, panther is a GIRL.


(It's OK ... you're not the first one to make that mistake.)
Many apologies to Panther..but regardless..here is the question


Ok. I've been in pre-production for a Birds of Prey fan film for about a month now. And the biggest thing I hear about is the Huntress costume. I get questions on which costume to use. So I think I am going to leave it up to the fans, which is who, the film is made for.

Which costume would you rather see the live-action Huntress in?

The Jim Lee/Ed Benes costume or the original
You know, I just don't get it... pink font and everything... and yet people think I'm a guy. :rotfl: It's okay though, no worries. :D

The current Huntress costume is so totally my choice. TBH, while it is the least practical for a superherione, I still prefer it over the old one. The old one just seems... old. It's like Canary's current costume, much more updated than the last couple she's had. I'm sure the actress will be able to move more easily and not get too hot either. My one suggestion, though, is to make the mask not so big as how it is currently drawn, but not like the old one, if possible. :)

AWGTHTGTTA?!!



The Silver Age Huntress (Helena Wayne) WAS indeed the daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle a.k.a. Catwoman. Helena Kyle was a combination of both the Silver Age (Helena Wayne) and Modern (Helena Bertinelli) Huntresses (She possessed Helena Wayne's genealogy and Helena Bertinelli's personality.)

Conclusion: the Huntress in the series WAS in the comics.



We've compiled a Viewer's Guide (http://www.birdsofpreyonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6360) that should clear a lot of things up (including the issue of her meta-abilities.)
That's no longer in continuity. After the Crisis, no one but the Psycho Pirate knows about the multiple Earths and heroes (according to a few things I've read online). AND Ikuzo said he wanted to do a film based on the characters right now.
As a non-comic book reader, I have no opinion (or knowledge) about Huntress' costume. I just want to chime in that this whole conversation is cracking me up.
LOL!!

Where did this project come from?

So far the best question Ive gotten. When I found out I was going to be a father to a brand new baby girl almost 2 years ago, my eyes were opened to the VERY few strong female superheroes that had made it to film and tv. I wanted to give her something to aspire to. At the time, it was either Wonder Woman or the Birds of Prey. Wonder Woman is such an icon that no one can live up to. So, Black Canary, Barbara Gordon and Helena Bertinelli were "volunteered". And as I started reading the comic, they acted and responded like "real" women. So this film is for my 16 month old daughter Faith. And right now Im doing everything possible to make sure that this will be something she can be proud of as she grows up
Good for you! :clap: My mom actually got me hooked on the Batman Animated series by accident WAAAAAAAAY back when. I think I was 3 (about 12 years ago). But to be doing this with female superheroes is even better. Whether fictional or in real-life, we all need strong people to look up to. :)

Wanted to let everyone know that we will continue the voting for the Huntress costume at our message board on the IkuZo! Studios West website. So please, if you want to see your favorite costume go there an let us know which one and why

Thanks


http://www.ikuzostudioswest.com
I can't get to your site for some reason. :( I'll try it again tomorrow, though.

The film will be available for download from our website. We will also send it to IFilms and Atom Films. I want the acttors and actresses to have as much exposure as possible. So if there is another site that will help with the download, let me know.
You should try BlueTights.net. They seem to have a lot of superhero stuff. :)

We will be promoting the film heavily very soon. So far we've let the fans know that its coming via messege boards and other websites. Soon we will have several mini-cd's that will have behind the scenes info, cast pics, cast interviews and trailers. It will also debut our new web series and the possibility of a Birds of Prey 2.
I'll post it on my site, Oracle's Clocktower (http://www.freewebs.com/oraclesclocktower/). Hopefully some people will see it there also. :)

It might work as long as no reps from WB/DC show up! Those guys love to squash fanflicks!

BTW, I think that the casting choices were great. Although, IMO, I'd look better as Lex. LOL
Figures you'd say that. :laugh:





Ikuzo! Good luck, and I can't wait to see this! Looks to be a lot of fun. :)

the panther
03-29-2005, 04:08 AM
Okay, links're working for me now...

And I've just got to say WOW! (http://www.ikuzostudioswest.com/LauraCanary.html)




ETA: Added the info. to my site. You can find it here: Birds of Prey News (http://www.freewebs.com/oraclesclocktower/thecomics.htm#48599616).

IkuZoFilmMaker
03-29-2005, 07:43 AM
Ok. Ive seen posts from one person that seems to think that one day they will show up on my doorstep and say "HEY! dont make that film and make no money and give us free publicity for our comic book so we can make more money." They have MUCH better things to do than shut down a film that ANYONE can see and view and no profit will be made. Why do you guys think that indie films like Batman Dead End and Worlds Finest werent shut down. Two words. FREE PUBLICITY!!! Dear god we are talking about a multi million dollar corporation that could care less. Otherwise, they would shut down this site because they own the images. So trust me, they know that we love the charecters so much that we will have free use. The difference is as long as we dont make MONEY. Let me repeat that M-O-N-E-Y then we will be ok. But some of us think that AOL Time Warner have spies everywhere ready to take the charecters from us. Just let it go. We are having fun and lets have better conversations. OK?

SevenSlave
03-29-2005, 08:17 AM
That's no longer in continuity. After the Crisis, no one but the Psycho Pirate knows about the multiple Earths and heroes (according to a few things I've read online). AND Ikuzo said he wanted to do a film based on the characters right now.


I know it's no longer in the current continuity.

I just felt a need to set the record straight. :)

MUZBNUTS
03-29-2005, 11:19 AM
Hey, great idea IkuZo. You've peaked my interest here. And you are right, DC, the WB, and even George Lucas, all love fan films, so long as they know that no profit is being made on them. I have several Star Wars fan films - one that even Lucas himself thought was terrific. And Batman Dead End was pretty cool. There's even a Robin fanfilm out there. The big companies don't much care as long as they get free publicity and you make no profit.

And folks, keep in mind that by posting on this site, the flim maker just wants to get more viewers for his project and an opinion or two...not twenty thousand. :laugh: He already has a preconcieved concept of what he is going to make. Go up to even the biggest fimmakers out there and tell them what you want a film to be like and they're apt to laugh at you...if you don't get hurled out of the office first. Film makers are artists with visons. They want to see their vision become a reality. So let this guy paint and see what he comes up with. ;)

CMBmovies
03-29-2005, 07:19 PM
Hi Guys, dont think i posted since i started this thread but just wanted chime in on the 'being shut down thing' (Laura looks awesome in costume by the way, Great job adapting the outfit)

I think your right that as long as the finished film is available for free and clearly no profit is being made then generally you should be ok. But I think its wrong to asume that no one is watching and no one cares. I agree wtith Ikuzofilmaker and generally dont expect to wake up tomorrow and find lawyers at the door saying "Hey dont make your film" Multi-Million dollar corporations generally have better things to do then stomp on the little guy but it's important to note that IT DOES HAPPEN!

There are numerous fanfilms being shutdown. One over here in the UK about Sandman was suddenly shut down near the end of completion, especially worrying since it was clear no proft was being made and it was a fan endeavour. Also other franchises have felt the wrath of the powers that be. A stargate series springs to mind - the filmmaker had contacted the production company behind SG1 and allegedly had there blessing then a cease & desist showed up out the blue. A superman fanfilm was also shut down a while back, though its important to note the former examples were as recent as last year.

DC based fan films were pulled from a Comicon last year despite the screenings being free as an overall admission fee charged as entry to the event. This was interpreted by DC/WB as profit being made from fanfilm and they took action. Which I can understand.

Dead End, Worlds Finest and Grayson were amazing and rightly got a lot of acclaim. However for all intents and purposes they came out of nowhere. Grayson had a website with a poster so you knew something was coming. then BAM. Dead End was even more of a suprise since it debuted at a Comicon and was arguably the first fanfilm to make a noise loud enough to hit the mainstream audience. But there appearence was sudden - and once the genie is out the bottle its hard to put back in. If WB didn't like Dead End - what could they do?? It was already out there. Studio's can't stop there blockbuster movies from being distributed on the internet so how could they stop a fanfilm? Also the filmmaker Sandy Collara was VERY careful in interviews not to say anything that could be interpreted as negative toward the WB. He was never like "Your batman sucked so I made a better one" (not my view by the way, just pointing that out :) )

He always appeared humble and thankful for being allowed to play with the character and hoped that when he got that inevitable call from the legal dept they would be understanding.

Lucas has led the way publicly praising fanfilms and the people that make them encouraging them with SW fanfilm festivals. However the other studios in question have been more guarded commenting little in public.

Right now there is a level of acceptance that allows us to have websites dedicated to fanfilms, anounce projects and even have marketing campaigns when as recently as this time last year such a thing was unheard of. My own Catwoman film, Jokers Card, Tears of the Dragon (Lara Croft) and Birds of Prey have all been publicly announced and had fans ever present from the first details emerging. To my knowledge these are the first fanfilms of their kind being made in the public eye and i love it :)

Hopefully this acceptance will grow and our films will be, should be, hopefully allowed to run there course. (otherwise I dont know what the hell im gonna do with the catsuit - it wont fit me :) )
Every new fanfilm releasd breaks new ground and I hope nothing rocks the boat too much anytime soon.

But.. I still think its a little presumptious to throw caution to the wind. This is their sandbox and were being allowed to play in it.

I'll leave Warner Bros with the final word...

"At this time, neither Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. nor DC Comics (collectively Warner Bros.) is prepared to launch a fan film program, which would be solely, or in part, managed by Warner Bros.

Warner Bros. definitely appreciates the enthusiasm and respect of its fans. We will continue to monitor the use of Warner Bros. properties as used in fan films. However, we will only consider taking action against such films that are either commercial in nature, are commercially exploited or otherwise engage in or depict inappropriate activity. Further, we will try to work with the comic book conventions, such as Comic-Con, to develop fan film screening programs that do not conflict with Warner Bros. rights in its properties."

DrayvensCrow
03-29-2005, 09:22 PM
Ok. Ive seen posts from one person that seems to think that one day they will show up on my doorstep and say "HEY! dont make that film and make no money and give us free publicity for our comic book so we can make more money." They have MUCH better things to do than shut down a film that ANYONE can see and view and no profit will be made. Why do you guys think that indie films like Batman Dead End and Worlds Finest werent shut down. Two words. FREE PUBLICITY!!! Dear god we are talking about a multi million dollar corporation that could care less. Otherwise, they would shut down this site because they own the images. So trust me, they know that we love the charecters so much that we will have free use. The difference is as long as we dont make MONEY. Let me repeat that M-O-N-E-Y then we will be ok. But some of us think that AOL Time Warner have spies everywhere ready to take the charecters from us. Just let it go. We are having fun and lets have better conversations. OK?


I don't think that I said that. If you did, I apologize. But sometimes the PTB will pull a swerve on folks and start handing out cease-and-desist orders on fanfilms, I've heard of it in a few cases. Me, personally, I'd love to see WB take a shine to your project when it comes out. If they would have something like what Lucas has, it would go far to repairing much of the damage they have done over the years. I'm hoping that they finally take note of what's going on outside of Hollywood and pull their collective heads out of their A$$@$.