News from Ashley about BoP from WB lot

[DizzyOracle]

Ok, guys, I found some very very good news regarding BoP on the WB forum posted by a guy who supposedly works on the WB Lot. He talked to Ashley Scott: Theres' at least 5 more original episodes being filmed on our Lot WB as we speak, so there's some hope maybe if the rating keep going up they may renew it for the rest of the season.
I saw Ashley Scott yesterday and she said something about the Sci Fi channel being interested in the series and revamping it with new writers so hold tight I have a very good feeling the show will be back but on another network.
If there doing new episodes still they'll keep the show on at least till the end of FEB. I work at warner bros so this isn't a rumor or anything, there filming today as well. Just to tell you great people some positive news. Keep your fingers crossed.

So, apparently Ashley believes that Sci-Fi is interested in BoP. I hope this is so. Got to keep campainging guys!

[Frostbite]

The key word here is supposedly.

[DizzyOracle]

Exactly, but still, it's some much needed good news. Again, we should take this with a grain of salt.

[LisaM]

Thanks for posting this...

[AngelQueen]

True or not, it gives people hope and adds to the desire to keep working to save the show! It definitely seems that the fans have the support of the leads in the show! *smiles happily*

AQ

[DizzyOracle]

I wonder though, is there any way to confirm this? I hope it IS too good to be NOT true.

[Frostbite]

Too good to be not true? What kind of twisted logic is that?

[Gothic Knight]

If is true then we are getting closer to saving this show.

[Frostbite]

But it's not.

[DizzyOracle]

And how the hell do you know it's not?

[Frostbite]

I am 68% sure.

[Ted]

I'd say take this with a major grain of salt. Since when do television shows film five episodes at a time? 'Charmed' which films at its own studio is currently doing some reshoots for episodes 10 and 11 while finishing up a full shoot for 12 and that's the most I've heard of - there's no way they're simultaneously filming five episodes. I don't buy it. Would it be nice if it were true? Yeah. But when's the last time you saw anyone actually with WB posting on the WB boards, especially a tidbit like this?

[Frostbite]

Exactly.

[DizzyOracle]

I think what the post means is that they still have to shoot 5 more new episodes, not that they're shooting the 5 simultaneously (which is unheard of and would be quite idiotic).

[Ted]

Originally posted by DizzyOracle
Theres' at least 5 more original episodes being filmed on our Lot WB as we speak, so there's some hope maybe if the rating keep going up they may renew it for the rest of the season.
I saw Ashley Scott yesterday and she said something about the Sci Fi channel being interested in the series and revamping it with new writers so hold tight...

"Being filmed on our Lot WB as we speak" - that makes it seem as though 5 are being filmed precisely at this moment. I won't even address the fact that 'our Lot WB' makes no grammatical sense and further makes the post seem less professional and therefore less true. But whether you can operate a keyboard or not (I can understand some typos) shouldn't affect whether you can clearly say "on the WB Ranch, the lot where they shoot" versus "our Lot WB".

If Sci Fi was interested in the show don't you think they'd be in negotiations with The WB and T/R over this? I suppose Ashley could find out but given she's working all day with the rest of the cast, I can't imagine these kinds of network negotiations amongst the corporate bigwigs have reached her little ears yet.

Add to that the chance that this guy just happened to walk by and see her and she spilled some of the beans? What'd she do, call out "Yo, we might be moving to Sci Fi! Spread the word!" as they passed by each other? Anyone in a position where they hear something like this from the actors means they're not in a position of power above the actors, and I can't necessarily believe that whomever that leaves left over - security guards? Craft services crew? - is really that credible.

[The Godfather]

Well I think the information came off badly. That said..I would imagine that ep 9 is already filmed and in the can. It takes 8 days to film an ep. They're probably finishing up 10. Still, since this is relayed from another source..the logistics could be a bit skewed.

That said..I'm skeptical. The WB boards have never been very reliable and in fact there are a few misguided souls over there who seem to get off on putting fans into a twirl.

But the point of this should be that we should turn some of our attention towards the Sci-Fi channel.

-Shawn

[TheWraith]

I spoke with my contact within WB, who told me the report of SciFI being interested is completely untrue, nor did Ashley reveal any such thing.

My contact also told me that any campaign in which comic books are sent to WB is doomed to failure. Studio execs have ordered the mail division of the company to throw in the trash any such deliviries they receive, unread. I'm sorry, better save your money I think. Their decision to cancel has been made, and they're not changing it or giving it to another network, that is for certain, and they're not interested in hearing from the fans in any way on this matter, as keeping execs jobs was a large reason for cancelling the show in the first place. They are not going to save the show in any form, as these execs want to keep their jobs.

[Ted]

"Any such deliveries"? You make it sound as though they are ordering any comic books they recieve to be tossed and for the life of me I can't imagine how high-and-mighty studio executives have got wind of a small online campaign.

[TheWraith]

They know, trust me on that. Unsolicited material is always thrown out at WB anyway, but anything to do with BoP moreso, as the studio isn't interested.

[DizzyOracle]

Well, I trust this 'source' now. The 'person' sent me photos of him/her self with various WB and non-WB celebrities like David Boreanaz, Matthew Perry, Jessica Alba, and Mena Suvari. And considering her position at WB, I can see how she has contact with the stars. She said that most likely the WB will toss our stuff out. She said we should try UPN and Sci-Fi, we have 3 months. She also said that there will be a cute guy in an upcoming episode.

[TheWraith]

The WB will toss our stuff out, and no other networks are being considered.

[DizzyOracle]

How would you know no other networks are being considered? Has your source directly talked to any of the cast (like my source) about the possibility of another network wanting BoP? Maybe Ashley did not reveal any news to your source, but does that make it untrue? My source talked face to face with Ashley (as well as with Sarah Michelle Gellar about her fate on Buffy) who said that Sci-Fi might be interested in BoP.

[TheWraith]

My source is within the executive, and is much more realiable than anyone who talks with the cast. The cast are often not privvie to what the studio wants and decides. SciFi and no other network is being considered, and I have explained in other threads why the studio wishes the show to stay dead.

[Neptune's Rose]

To the Wraith: I thought you were on hiatus or something...
I'm wondering how our campaign is "doomed to failure" isn't that how Roswell was saved? Remember the tobasco bottles?

[SevenSlave]

Rumor or no, the Fandom has been presented with an opportunity ... let's take advantage of it!

E-mail the Sci-Fi Channel @

program@www.scifi.com

Tell them what you like about the show and that you believe they should pick it up.

Tell them about the campaign to save the show. Include a link back to http://www.birdsofpreyonline.com/campaign/ . Let them know that there is an active fandom who is working to save the show.

[Ted]

Well if Frank is correct and the executives have nothing better to do with their days than pay attention to our campaign (which was only started today - they must be actively cruising the boards, eh? ;)) then we have their ear - and knowing they are listening and paying attention is the first step. What we say next is what's important.

[Neptune's Rose]

Very good point.

[Brent Patterson]

I think its really hard to get something like this organized when there are naysayers against the ida on this very board bashing the fandoms efforts at trying to save their show. I take anyone who says their "source" said anything with a grain of salt if that. There are so many people on the net with their "sources" its sad. Not that one is right and one is wrong, but its just nearly unbelievable. I am going to send comics to all of the addresses listed and too Sci-Fi Channel as well. Seems alot of shows that were cancelled show up there at some point, look at Yancey Butlers show Mann and Machine that ended up there and so did the '80s classic The Greatest American Hero, also FX is a slim chance also.


Brent Patterson

This is a repost from another post I thought it would fit here nicely.

Brent Patterson

[Phantess]

I'm part of a another campaign for the movie execs at the WB, and sadly this fact is very right. They really don't care for fan mail. About the only way you can sucker punch them is to not see their movies. I love The Phantom of the Opera very much, and wanted a certain actor to star in it, and instead they're getting an actor who has proven he cannot sing to fit the part. The only reason they're putting him in the movie is because he's "popular".

They don't care folks. Ask anyone about the Superman/Batman movie and what a mess that is. I just hope that Sci Fi picks it up or so many people watch it Dec 18th that they change their mind. It was a great show with great potential. Come January if they don't turn around, I really am going to miss it.

[Gothic Knight]

You got a point The WB doesn't care we just have to make them care or will make another network care. Will keep the noise going 'till someone listen to us and we save this show.

[TheWraith]

WB won't budge on this issue, too much is at stake if they bring BoP back. It's gone for good I'm afraid.

[The Godfather]

To my understanding, once a show is cancelled..it's right again become available. Thus, if another net wanted it, they wouldn't have to bargain with the WB for rights to the show but rather the property...

-Shawn

[Phantess]

That's right! NOISE! Hit them in their pocketbooks! That's all that matters!

Money is all that matters to them. Then take away their income. Quit watching their films, their shows, and Support Birds of Prey!
BWHWHWHHAAHAA!

*calms down* ...Oh..yeah. Sorry. :-p

[Frostbite]

That won't work. No one will realise that forty people or so aren't buying movie tickets. THERE IS NO WAY BIRDS OF PREY CAN LAST PAST JANUARY! GIVE UP! GIVE UP!

[Phantess]

40 people? Na...even I can do better than that. We all can if we tried.

My point is, more than 40 people watch this show. People will hear by word of mouth what's been done. The more people that know, the more bad of a rep they get. What can it hurt to try?

Maybe the show is gone forever. But let's not go without letting people know how it could have been so much better if given a chance.

[TheWraith]

It won't hurt anything by trying, but nothing will be achieved, at least not what you want to achieve anyway. The show is gone forever, nothing will change that.

[Jesse321]

Maybe the show is gone forever. But let's not go without letting people know how it could have been so much better if given a chance.


VERY WELL SAID ... if you try and you fail thats acceptable. But if you don't try at all, you've already failed ... don't let these negative posts beat us. THINK OF ALL THE FUN WE WILL HAVE IF WE WIN !!!! There will be some MAJOR crow eating.

[TheWraith]

We have tried... and sadly failed. That's life. Move on.

[Jesse321]

It's still airing theres still time. If all your going to do is whine and complain why do you bother posting in this forum ?? Are you two on Levin's payroll or something ?

[Brent Patterson]

Originally posted by TheWraith
We have tried... and sadly failed. That's life. Move on.

How can you say we have failed??? We have just begun. Don't go shooting down us trying to get the show moved to another network, let us try, before you berate us for trying to save it.

Brent Patterson

[TheWraith]

We have failed because WB have made their decision and refuse to budge on it. They don't want any other network to have it because they want the show to stay cancelled. Is that hard for you to understand?

[Jesse321]

YES IT IS ! is that so hard for YOU to understand !

[DizzyOracle]

I believe that another network might be interested in picking up BoP, if they can raise the dough.

[TheWraith]

No, because WB don't want another network to have it, and no other network wants it, as Seth from Tribune correctly stated.

[Jesse321]

And of course this Seth knows everything about everything and everyone who is anyone anywhere.

You will forgive us if we don't take your word for it and still keep trying to save OUR show.

KEEP THE BIRDS FLYING !!!

[DizzyOracle]

Thank you Jesse! How much can one person know anyways?

[Brent Patterson]

Originally posted by TheWraith
No, because WB don't want another network to have it, and no other network wants it, as Seth from Tribune correctly stated.

Who is Seth and Which Tribune does he work for there is like many many many tribunes in the USA. I have one here in Minneasota called the Star Tribune. Do you have a link to this info, is it posted in a news article?? Lets see some actual proof from this Tribune. Its a vaid request.

Brent Patterson

[merlin9943]

once all the episodes are shot the cast is no longer contractually obligated so if something were to happen it would have to happen very soon

[Gothic Knight]

Agreed

[Neptune's Rose]

My goodness why are certain people making the same posts that they were making two weeks ago? Do you have anything new, original, or positive to say? What's up with this give up, give up talk? You're only making our resolve to save the show that much stronger.
And yeah I agree I would take the sources business with a grain of salt as well. Anyone can make anything up. It's ok to talk about what you've heard like dizzyoracle did. But once you start trumping your source as bible you need to stop. Why should I believe what someone on some forum told me?

[Psychic Oracle]

Good point, Neptunekix! I was lurking for a while trying to avoid responding, and I've noticed that, while the pages in each thread have increased, the exact same things are being said over and over and over again!

And to reiterate Neptunekix's last comment:

Why should I believe what someone on some forum told me?

It's a good and valid point.

[Lance]

I tend to distrust most of what comes from WB execs. After all, we've seen where their sensitivities lie. And by the way, how the hell does a WB exec know what Ashley Scott saidf or didn't say? Just wondering.

[DizzyOracle]

Wait, is that directed towards me? :confused:

[Lance]

Negative, DizzyOracle. It refers to TheWraith's post ... the one that suggests Ashley couldn't have said what she said because a network suit said she didn't. There may be a question about whether you want to believe one source or another, but the idea that a WB exec is all-knowing and truthful (ha!) is, on its face, ridiculous.

[Neptune's Rose]

Thanx for clarifying Lance. DizzyORacle hasn't been trumping her source as an all-knowing god.

[Lance]

There's only one here who's done that. The rest of us realize that these are all pieces of a large puzzle, and not all of them fit precisely. No one's sources are infallible, but all contribute.

[Psychic Oracle]

Exactly right, Lance. Very good point!

[Jesse321]

Brent,

I think the Seth that is being Mentioned works for Tribune Entertainment the same people who do Mutant X, they ALLEGEDLY past on BOP for a syndication deal. I STRESS ALLEGEDLY .. I haven't seen anything anyplace reliable about it.

KEEP THE BIRDS FLYING !!!

[Neptune's Rose]

Do you mean that they allegedly looked at it and passed it over or that they offered a synidcation deal.

[HuntressRocks]

Frank, take a hike!

Do you honestly think that we believe that you know more than anyone else????

You say "move on". Well, if you think that we need to move on, then why are you even bothering posting in this thread over and over and over? Maybe YOU need to MOVE ON!

Nuff said, now leave us alone...

[DizzyOracle]

Ok, thanks for the clarification... Keep the Birds Flying!

[Ted]

Seth was a representative of Tribune who emailed back and forth with a forum member about the possibility of them picking up the show and said it wasn't likely. However, I think a lot of what he said has been touted as the world of the land in the way everything is going to happen, ever, and it's not.

But let's not get confused with the person who originally had contact with him, as that person was only trying to help the situation and because we may not all see Seth as the ultimate figurehead others might, I don't want to see it come back to the poster who originally was helping out by talking to him.

[SevenSlave]

Originally posted by Jesse321
Brent,

I think the Seth that is being Mentioned works for Tribune Entertainment the same people who do Mutant X, they ALLEGEDLY past on BOP for a syndication deal. I STRESS ALLEGEDLY .. I haven't seen anything anyplace reliable about it.


Of course they passed on it ... BOP would've competed with their baby, Mutant X.

[SevenSlave]

Originally posted by TheWraith
WB won't budge on this issue, too much is at stake if they bring BoP back. It's gone for good I'm afraid.

Bulls*** ...

Jordan Levin's power is NOT absolute ...

BION, he has a boss of his own to answer to: Jamie Kellner, CEO of Turner Broadcasting, Inc. (The WB's parent company).

Levin doesn't have the power to "bury" an entire series; he possesses only as much power as Kellner and Co. are willing to grant to him.

If BOP continues performing the ratings feats that it has been performing lately, Turner may very well conclude that the series was (1) cancelled prematurely, (2) mishandled by Levin's people, and (3) take the series out of Levin's hands altogether (that's what happened with Buffy, Roswell, and Forever Knight).

[Phantess]

I think you misunderstood me Wraith...I said that the only way you're going to hit them really is by taking their income away.
Doesn't mean I'm not going to stop emailing, writing, driving them insane. And I have a right to get mad at company.. I'm Mad at DC, I'm mad at Anne Rice, and I'm mad at Andrew Lloyd Webber. Did that clarify that enough for you?

That said, I'm going to try my best to try and have my thoughts heard. Anyone who thinks they're that invincible doesn't want to voice their opinion on the crap that the WB produces. Don't tell me to give up because I won't.

That's what Starting a Revolution is all about, right?

[Chris]

Alright ladies and gentlemen.

First of all, I'm getting sick of this dissing Mr.Levin at every opportunity you see.
Mr.Levin is a business man, he does what he is supposed to do, this of course includes making money.
He is not a screen writer, nor is he a producer.
Mr.Levin takes executive decisions, and he's damn good at it.
How else would you explain his staggering career record?
The man is thirty one years of age, and goes by the title of Executive Vice President of Programming, The WB.
Now, this makes him of the youngest senior-level executives in the industry.
Furthermore, I'd like to include a brief career record:

Programming Associate, Walt Disney
1990-92 Manager of Current Programs, Walt Disney / Touchstone Television
1992-94 Director of Comedy Development, Walt Disney / Touchstone Television
Head of Comedy Development and Current Programming, The WB
Vice President, Development, The WB

I think we should all give this man a little bit more respect than we are all doing here today.

As for BoP, and this whole "we can save it"
Did it ever occur to you optimists that BoP is a major embarrassment for the WB?
They want this show dead and burried because its hurting their reputation, perhaps they were persueded by a third party from the beginning to even air it in the first place.
Now they're looking for a way to get it burried.
The companies interested in advertisement in between BoP dont watch the show, they look at ratings and critics.
As its been (except for very lately) these two key elements has been terrible. If WB cant produce enough commercial money, then WB's only reason to air it (Goodwill is rare) just went out the window.
What I'm saying is, you're trying to keep a house without foundation standing through a storm.

Alright I'm done. Once again, you may shoot me now.

Regards
Chris.

[merlin9943]

thanks for your perspective
and your insights ,
chris
much appreaciated
gary

[Lance]

Thanks, Chris.
Levin may be very competent ... in the sense that he takes care of company business. However, it is axiomatic that in any organization the size of WB, anyone more than three layers from the actual delivery of product is more concerned with covering butt --- his/her own and/or that of the company.
I've worked for people who have all the right answers for those higher up, but don't know squat about the product or how to deal with listeners.
Levin's resume may look good, but this is personal. I won't speak for anyone else. He asked me to believe in a show HE didn't believe in. I took him up on it, not knowing he wanted all along to pull out the rug. And I was betrayed. It's that simple. What he did might be good business, but I'm pissed. I will continue to diss Levin --- I have no respect for the man. A resume doesn't explain everything.

I don't think anyone's going to shoot you, because you said what you think and explained why. You're not necessarily wrong if someone doesn't agree ...

[Phantess]

Chris I won't shoot you because I'm a good girl. :P And while you may have had some vaild points-I'm still not giving in.

If they were embarassed by it they shouldn't have picked it up and let another station do it. Like Sci Fi. I would be more embarassed by Dawson's Creek or..dare I say it..Family Affair.

I'm glad I'm not an exec. I don't want their job, and that's as far as I'm going respect-wise. I'm glad of his status. Good for him. I'm mad at the company overall, like I stated above. If they were embarassed, they shouldn't have picked it up.

But you know what, I'm glad they did. And I don't find that embarassing at all.

Phantess

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Regardless of what happens, if anything, I am going to keep doing what I'm doing. Some people like to go out drinking at the bars, me, I like to play on the forum and fight for something I like, a tv show.

If I don't fight, I'll regret it. If I don't win, I'll accept that. Simple logic, really. I think this new campaign is great, we all worked hard and collectively, I think we can make an impact.

I'm raising a glass to toast all of you who are putting in the work to try to KEEP THE BIRDS FLYING. And for those of you who don't want to fight, if we do win, it will be your turn to raise the glass ;)

I want to fight...so, I will fight. I won't participate in a tennis match with anyone who disagrees. You make your choices, I'll make mine. In the end, we are all faceless strangers to each other on the forum. My day to day life and career will never affect anyone here and neither will the choices I make.

Chris, all valid points indeed. :) We're not going to shoot you for your post. It was, like before, well thought-out and presented. It does occur to me that they want the show gone... that is obvious. Especially because they rushed the decision to cancel without trying other options as they usually do.

What bugs me is this. They didn't want it to begin with, but they got it, and aired it. Many of us flipped for the show and then the WB yanks it. It's like giving a puppy a toy, teasing him with it and then yanking it away. If that's the case, don't bring it out in the first place!

Now we all left confused and angry that they would treat their viewers like this. Many liked the show, the ratings were decent enough for a brand new program and ripping it away was a total slap in the face to viewers.

I understand that this is how it works but I don't have to like it. And I don't have to bend over and take it. They screwed up, and we all hurt because of it. Not a good way to treat viewers because without us, there would be no movies or tv.

I've never fought for a show before. I feel strongly about this one and I'm going to give it my best shot. I may not get what I want, but I will still come out a winner because I followed my heart and my passions. This is my choice and no one has to understand that but me.

Reality is a boring place to be without hope. And hope is what makes the reality of life a little brighter. We all have dreams but if you don't try, they will NEVER come true.

Angie :)

[Chris]

Oh God, I love you guys, really.

I see this tennis match being brought up again, believe me - that was never my intention.
I thought I gave a reasonable explaination for why the WB wont let the fans save it. I know, there is a resemblence there, but I'd like to think you optimists are trying to save the show regardless of WB's reasons to bury it.
Therefore, I thought I'd try to give you one out of possibly many reasons WB has to keep it dead.
I'm sorry if I stroke a cord or anything.

As for my little defense on behalf of Mr.Levin.
I understand that he betrayed you as a person, fan and community.
Mr.Levin is only a human being, he does mistakes too, whether cancelling BoP was a mistake or not, in your eyes that would undoubtfully be yes. As for Mr.Levin and the rest of the WB executives, the Q4/Q1 results are the only ones that matter.
Whether it was a mistake from their side or not will be reflected in loss/profit - BoP/Replacement.
As for what you and me think and fight for, it wont change the critics opinions, and as I said previously, the critics are ready to slay BoP. Advertisement income on WB's side suffers.
Then again, Mr.Levin is a business man.

Theres mentioned other options in the fifth paragraph of Sxygrrl's post, I'm unfamilar with other options for leg dropped tv shows, would you please enlighten me via PM or right here in the post.

Now, guys - please, dont turn this into anything.
All I'm trying to do is supply a possibly reason for why BoP is being cancelled.
Dont get me wrong, I'm here for a reason - I'm a fan too.

Regards
Chris.

[Phantess]

It's great that you're a fan! Nope, I'm not turning it into anything, I respect you and your point of view. Everyone has to play devil's advocate from time to time.

I don't like what critics like half the time anyway. About the only thing I like from the Wb now is "Harry Potter". This show caught my interest, and if it's gone...I probably won't care or rally myself to enjoy anything from that company again unless it is "Harry Potter".

If anyone wants to pm me, they sure can..I wish this place had a chat room. LOL.

[merlin9943]

just curious chris your reference to Q4/Q1
what is that exactly ?
something to do with ratings and profits?
thanks
gary

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

the "tennis match" I'm speaking of goes back further in this thread Chris. Your post was great, not to worry.

You said "I'd like to think you optimists are trying to save the show regardless of WB's reasons to bury it". The fact is, WB cancelled something we all loved. They didn't give it a chance and if they did it to have "peace" between the executives, then that really annoys the hell out of me. Okay, so they get their peace and what am *I* left with?

Now they sit in their office all happy and we sit and home pissed. They gave us something we LOVED and snatched it away. I, for one, don't give up easily when it comes to something I love. I fight to the death...

I don't care why it was cancelled. It certainly wasn't due to low ratings because WB has had much worse, and fought for those... We love the show and we want it back. If they are in a war over a tv show, I think that's pretty pathetic. Fact is you bought it, you aired it, we loved it, you cancelled it.

Well I'm certainly going to sleep better at night knowing my cancelled show brought peace to their station... I hope they are sleeping well...

Bottom line, I know they don't care what I think but you know what? I care. And I'm going to fight for what I care about. I'm not accepting their actions when we suffer the consequences.

As for BoP being an embarrassment to them, sure, if 7 million is an embarrassment for a premier, then none of the WB's programs should be on the air. And if Birds of Prey is too "dark" for them, perhaps they should watch an ep or two of Angel. I think the end of the world and having sex with someone you once took care of as a baby is much darker than three women fighting villans to make the streets safer. Don't you?

So I'm angry! And I want to vent! I want to mail my letters and tell them how I feel. I'm using clear sleeves instead of envelopes so even if they don't read the letter, they will get my intention from the comic clearly marked: Keep The Birds Flying, Save The Birds Of Prey.

I am not angry at anyone for an opposing view so long as you are respectful about it. But it is frustrating when people beat each other over the head trying to make their points, back and forth, back and forth, with no winner.

Chris, your post took this thread in a new direction and I liked that. I don't agree with some points however but hopefully you have a better understanding of why *I* want to fight. They took away something I loved and I want it back. A childish statement, I know, but in the end, that's the bottom line.

Will I get what I want? One can only try and hope ;)

Angie

[Chris]

Oh crap, what have I done..
I seem to get into arguements I rarely can keep up.
hehe, I'm on a terrible loosing steak here, this doesnt seem to go my way either, oh well.

For starters, Qx is quartely finacial results for a company, in this case WB. I hope that clearifies things.

What are you left with Sxygrrl, well it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out - you're left with old memories, fan fiction, recorded tapes, pictures and possibly a virtual season.
This isnt much, I know. What you want is at least a full season of BoP on the TV.

You want your show back, understandable.
But you cant fight everyone and everything standing in the way.
I want it back it back too, of course. But you have to look at facts and circumstances. These two elements doesnt allow for BoP to return, at least it does not look like it today.

I really respect your commitment to this fight, I dont think I've seen anything like it before.

Anyway, I dont feel like pushing this through, its starting to get ugly.

"Chris, your post took this thread in a new direction"
hehhe, damn straight I did - against me.
hehe, nice.

Regards
Chris.

[Neptune's Rose]

I have a new found resect for you,Chris. Trust me unlike others who have had your opinion you have explained yourself fully.(maybe too fully your posts are getting kinda long:) You haven't made trademark 'broken record' posts. And you haven't called anyone a loser, or an ignorant sod once! From what we have experienced from others in your camp, we think you're wonderful. You give us a new perspective which is to be respected. While others have not extended that to us sadly because they were blinded by their own arrogance.
Thank you for sharing that with us. Now I see where you are coming from. Difference of opinions aside, you're cool with me.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Chris!!! Against you? Not at all! Nothing is getting ugly... I honestly liked your posts. Really! :) Taking it in a new direction was a good thing, you brought a different perspective and an end to a previous tennis match. Thank you :) You're not on a losing streak - trust me, you're on a level playing field. I respect what you said.

You're right, I want a full season of BoP. That's exactly it. If it dies after a full season, so be it. But at least give us the full 22 episodes.

I know the facts and I know the realities. I think we all have a pretty good understanding of both. I appreciate that you respect our commitment, sincerely.

I know I can't fight everyone standing in my way. Actually that's not even on my mind. My fight is simple, they cancelled the show, I want to express my interest in it and hope it will be renewed or sold to another network. The new campaign is a well-organized attack plan and offers a great way for everyone to unite.

Sending off a few comics and writing a few letters won't break my piggy bank so I'm giving it my best shot. The chances are slim, but my hopes are high :)

You said you've never seen a fight like this before... well... neither have I. But I hear the Roswell one was quite interesting. I've never actively fought for a show but there's a first time for everything. I've sat back on the sidelines every time and watched my shows disappear. Wondering why people bother to try. I guess I'm now seeing why they wanted to try. So I fully understand both sides of the coin.

I'm glad you want it back too. And it doesn't matter to me if you choose to fight or sit on the sidelines because I've done both myself. What does matter to me is that you have interesting posts and that you realize that I enjoy reading them. ;) Really!

Angie :)


(edited to add more content: It takes me so long to reply to a post that others say the same thing before I get a chance to hit 'send'... lol....I just saw Neptunekix's comment... beat me to the punch ;) anyway, what she said: Chris, We like ya!)

[Chris]

I'm sorry, I cant help myself. Hehe.

I have to clearify one thing - I'm not in anyone's 'camp'
I'm trying to review facts as they are, not the way I want them to be. I'm not saying you are, I'm saying Joe Public does.

I think its important to be able to seperate a person from his/hers opinions. On the basis of that, I feel its out of line to call eachother names.
heh, I'm writing long posts? hehe, *points at Sxygrrl*
I'm trying to match the top dogs here, nothing else..hehe
Its all good though, makes reading and responding interesting.


Now, back to what this thread was really about.

Originally posted by DizzyOracle
Ok, guys, I found some very very good news regarding BoP on the WB forum posted by a guy who supposedly works on the WB Lot. He talked to Ashley Scott: Theres' at least 5 more original episodes being filmed on our Lot WB as we speak, so there's some hope maybe if the rating keep going up they may renew it for the rest of the season.
I saw Ashley Scott yesterday and she said something about the Sci Fi channel being interested in the series and revamping it with new writers so hold tight I have a very good feeling the show will be back but on another network.
If there doing new episodes still they'll keep the show on at least till the end of FEB. I work at warner bros so this isn't a rumor or anything, there filming today as well. Just to tell you great people some positive news. Keep your fingers crossed.

So, apparently Ashley believes that Sci-Fi is interested in BoP. I hope this is so. Got to keep campainging guys!


I have to say, wheres the credibilty of this?
For all we know, this supposedly WB employee actually flips burgers or whatever.
In this particular situation, I'm not so sure how much the BoP cast knows about the shows future, I mean - I doubt the management wants to raise false hope. Therefore, I think the cast would only be let in if the future of BoP is 90% secure.
The credibilty of something like this being brough out of WB's own forums is rather small.
If you were into leaking unconfirmed stories, you certainly wouldnt leak them on the company's own forum, now would you?
This person supposedly works on the WB lot, now 'lot' is a very wide word. He might be in catering, he might be a cleaner.
No, I'm sorry - I dont buy it, if someone who cant narrow down their position to anything closer than 'working on the lot' doesnt have the insight to speak about the future of BoP.
As for anonymity and all that follows, then yes - sure.
But that doesnt explain the rest, that only explains one thing, and that being his vague description of how he obtained the information.
Bottomline, I dont buy it - its too loose.

Regards
Chris.

[gothambat]

ii think the show should move to another ch if the wb does not want it any more. the show was good but really needed to fix up some things to make it better but they did not give it time to grow to get better like how smallvilles first episodes where weak and al that. Birds needed more time to get their wings.

[tbey]

Agreed Gothambat ;) if WB doesn't want the show we can at least let others know that we'd welcome them trying to pick it up ;) We're winners in either case.

Chris, there was a mediaweek announcement awhile back (after the refusal of pick-up announcement by Warner) that quoted Brian Robbins (the show's producer) about looking into his options of shopping it around, so we do know Scifi could be a possibility...now just to hope they know it too ;)

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Chris - I've tried to write short posts... it doesn't seem to work ;)

I don't believe what people say necessarily in forums... although I don't disbelieve it. That guy could very well have run into Ashley... I have no proof one way or another so I'm not really in a position to say if it's true or not. I'm not sure what to think.

I would like to think it's true... But I don't believe it is... DizzyOracle was passing on the info. I'll cross my fingers and hope it's true. But I'll reserve jumping up and down until I see the proof ;)

But who knows!

(Chris? was this any shorter? I tried!)

[Chris]

You tried, you did your best. hehe, it still beats pretty much everyone else on this page..hehe
Its all good though.
You've got alot on your mind, nothing wrong with that.

Whatever we do, we dont shoot the messanger, in this case DizzyOracle. Thats just wrong.
About Scifi picking it up, well - I'm hardly in the position to say anything about 'could' and 'couldnt' Its too lose, vague.
We can all hope and cross our fingers, no doubt.
But in my eyes, breaking down the words of this supposedly WB employee tells me to highly doubt him.

Regards
Chris.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Nope, not shooting the messanger, DizzyOracle is an online pal :)

(now *this* post is short!)

[Chris]

I'm impressed. :)

[DizzyOracle]

Thanks guys.

[TheWraith]

Chris is right, and as I said, Ashley said no such thing about the show's future and SciFi being interested, because they're not as they are aware WB won't give the show to them.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

There is no right or wrong without proof as we don't know Ashley, what she says or who she talks to.

So unless we were there, we can't say what is true or false.

[Chris]

We can speculate in how much A. Scott would know herself.
Considering the circumstances, I doubt management would let the cast know right away.

[Sxygrrl Huntress]

Exactly right Chris. We can only assume...

I can understand someone *thinking* that she didn't say it but no one can say for sure that "Ashley said no such thing" unless they were there.

I don't believe it without proof... but I can't state it as fact because I was not there. None of us were. To prove a case in court, you gotta have a witness or evidence, everything else is hearsay and opinion. I would like see the proof :)

[Chris]

In a court of law, circumstancial evidence can and has swayed the members to change their opinion.
We all want proof of course, but look at the Great Pyramids - theres no proof of how they were constructed, still - they were constructed and still standing tall.