Why is there so much negativity here???

[Brent Patterson]

Its the same over at DC Comics Message board for BOP only slightly worse. I mean people WANT to try to save the show so let them if you want to bash us for our opinion go ahead but dont slap us across the face and tell us not to do it and that its not possible. I hate being told that something is not possible. And I hate people whom always bash someones opinion on a cancelled show that they want to save. I will keep trying until the show is picked up or until I get a actual letter back from a said exec at one of the stations saying they will not pick it up, its not over just because a few posters say it is. Its over when we get letters back from execs saying they have no interest in the shows. Oh and RTS marked envolopes will not do it for me, I will keep writing :-)


Brent Patterson

[DizzyOracle]

I don't know what is up, Brent.

[AngelQueen]

Well said, Brent.

I mean, those who wish to try and save the show are allowed to do so. It hurts nothing and no one to try. We're within our rights to do it. I've heard this stated by practically everyone here, on both sides.

So I must ask. Why are we constantly bashed, yelled at, called names, and put down for doing something that we believe in? We may be wasting our time, as many have stated, but it is our time to waste. No need to make that time absolutely miserable.

AQ

[Brent Patterson]

I mean if they want to be negitive go ahead but dont bash the people working their butts off for this campain. I am not giving up so for those posters who are part of Club Gloom, keep it up. We won't stop no matter what you say :) I already wrote Sci Fi and sent it out this afternoon :) Its a start and a comic and a letter will go out tomorrow :)


Brent Patterson

[TheWraith]

I am sick and tired of people calling me negative. Accepting the realities as presented to me by the studio DOES NOT make me negative! The studio says it is cancelled and NOT coming back, I know that for a fact, and me telling others that has NOTHING to do with negativity. Since when has the truth been classified as negative? Dumbest thing I ever heard!!

[Jesse321]

Tryin to convince others to go against what they want to do .. even if you consider it a vain attempt is NEGATIVE get a clue.

[TheWraith]

I'm not stopping anyone doing anything. I'm just telling them it won't achieve what they want - for the show to come back. It won't, and that's just the way it is. Accept it and move on!

[Jesse321]

NO !! and that just ticks you off doesn't it !

[Brent Patterson]

Frank,

Im not talking about theWB. That will be almost a failure to get the show to stay there that I can understand, but there isnt anything saying we can go knocking on UPNs door, or Fox, or Sci Fi, or ABC per se'. I do apologize if my comments were to harsh but I just dont like people shooting down other peoples work before they even get going on it is all.


Brent Patterson

[TheWraith]

Not at all, because I know I'm right and I know eventually everyone here will see that. When the weeks/months/years go by and no new BoP, you will see.

[TheWraith]

Brent

WB don't want the show to air anywhere, they won't allow any network to take up the show as they want it to stay cancelled. Do you understand now?

[Jesse321]

Brent ... there is little use in having a battle of wits with someon who is so obviously unarmed andhas his mind already made up.

[Ted]

As sick and tired of being called negative as you are, people are sick and tired of being told to give up by someone who has not proven himself to know very much. I've seen you quote "Seth from Tribune" like he's a god and some online articles. These people are fans who aren't going to give up until the very last, and really, that's none of your business whether they do - it doesn't harm you or affect you until you choose to enter this forum and these threads. They're not going to give up and it's really not necessary for you to tell them to stop - that's their choice to make.

Do you understand now?

[TheWraith]

It has nothing to do with me, WB has cancelled it, WB doesn't want the show to air anywhere, WB wants it to stay cancelled, this has nothing to do with me, I'm simply passing on what has happened. This isn't opinion, this is fact!

[AngelQueen]

Everyone is making good points here. Let's not turn this into a thread where we just start screaming at one another. It's immature for one thing.

Both sides have harassed the other for so long. I've seen it in quite a few threads here and I've tried to stay out of it as much as I can. As I said, everyone has made their point. Some choose to let the show die quietly and in peace, while others wish to continue to fight to save Birds of Prey. Everyone of us is entitled to make that choice.

What bothers me is that so many just sit here and start name-calling, "shouting," back and forth, back and forth. It solves nothing, and just ends up hurting everyone's feelings.

If people want to continue to fight, let them. If not, then that's okay too. Everyone can do what they want, but we shouldn't try to make everyone miserable in the process. And this is not just limited to one side or the other. Both have been doing this.

Just stating my opinion on the matter.

AQ

[Ted]

So you've said, time and time again. Do you get that people don't want to listen? Why stick around if they're unreceptive? Whether it's cancelled or not isn't the point - the point is they're going to believe what they want to believe and it's not your responsibility to make them believe otherwise.

It's not about whether it's opinion - you've shared your facts, people have not responded nicely, and yet you continue to hound people. There's no need to beat it into anyone's head when they don't want to hear it.

[Jesse321]

Angelqueen,

Good point well taken, if anyone doesn't want to help fine, but i disagree with anyone telling anyone else to stop campaigning to save the show. I for one won't stop, even if the fat lady has sung, I won't stop until the witch drops dead !! ;)

[AngelQueen]

Jesse,

Exactly. You've made the choice to keep fighting. Heck, I'm right behind you when it comes to that! :)

But there are others who choose not to fight, and I'm okay with that. I do not regard them as 'traitors' (and I'm not saying that you do either) to the cause or anything like that. I respect that they have made their choice on the matter.

What bothers me is that both sides-and I emphasize that-have been at each other's throats over the choices that they have made. We're all free to make our own choices and I just don't understand why everyone has to get so upset over that.

AQ

[Jesse321]

Totally agreed, heck i've been guilty myself, but i'm rabid about this show. I would hate to see it gone for good. What's funny to me is that they don't realize that their negative attitude towards fighting for the show only fuels the positive attitudes shared by most of us here. So in essense they they are helping to defeat the very stance they are fighting for. I think its a riot.

[Jesse321]

Though I still say that Wriath and Frostbite are on Levins payroll.

;)

[Neptune's Rose]

LOL...Enough of that now. I think its great that we can discuss this (for like the 10th time) without things getting out of hand.
The only point I want to make is that we already know the facts. And restating them isn't going to make anyone turn to your way of thinking. I've seen 'broken record' posts tht serve no purpose but to aggravate people.
In the end I think it would be wise for some people to let it go and let people do what they want to do.

[Lance]

TheWraith says it's time to move on. Yet it is HE who must move on. He doesn't understand that for those of us who want to see BoP continue, on WB or somewhere else, it's the show that's important. It is not an ego trip for us. He writes:


"...I know I'm right and I know eventually everyone here will see that. "


He doesn't understand that for most of us it makes no difference who's right or wrong as long as the show continues.

[Mr. J.]

bet his tune would change if it were his comic that had been cancelled and was trying to have it saved and we all said it was a hopeless effort...

and just incase bop DOES come back, i hope he likes crow. hes gonna be eating alot of it if it happens

[Phantess]

LOL!!!
You aren't kidding there. Hey, I hate mentioning this again and again..but if you want to see some people with drive and commitment you should see the phantom movie campaign. They've been at it to get a movie made for 10 years.

My point is, if you want it badly enough, you should fight for it.
Don't let people tell you not to. If you want to give up on BOP that's fine..but don't let the WB screw you out of anything else too. Don't put down anyone else for wanting to do something.

So Pardon me for Being an IDIOT for wanting this show to come back from the dead. Sure, I'm not going to kill myself over it but I am sure as heck going to miss it. As a loyal Batman fan I've a right to.

And to be perfectly blunt..this show deserved a chance. After what the WB did to Bats in Batman and Robin, I'm glad that they didn't have a chance to screw our show up.

[MethyLBroMidE]

Assuming that TheWraith(Frank) is just a good guy and is trying to do the right thing and save everyone here a ton of effort:

In taking TheWraith seriously, maybe a good thing to try is to first confirm the integrity of that source. Maybe TheWraith could set up a three-way conference call / meeting between him, his source, and a representative that everyone here trusts, like Oracle for instance. Of course, the representative would be sworn to secrecy regarding the identity of the source and maybe the content of their conversation. After the conference, the representative would report back to everyone here by giving a recommendation of "Go" or "No Go".

Another thing might be to get a second solid confirmation from someone else. Remember how the chief-editor of TheFutonCritic posted the cancellation himself last week? That is class and courtesy. The individuals behind BoP have a responsibility towards their viewers that support them, and someone linked to the show needs to step up and address the fans (or their representative) directly.

With some of the other campaigns, it's either been the exec. producer or one of the main actors who wind up telling their fans to fight or give up.

Just some ideas, new batches bubbling up for later.:)

[Phantess]

Sounds like a good idea to me. I hate when I can't sleep..must be all this anger about losing this show of mine...we all know what it's called, of course...

*grrs*

The one and only Phantess

[tbey]

The main problem I find with absolute sources is the fact that there is no absolute 100% when it comes to corporations; having dealt with the corporate ladder on numerous occasions I can truly say there are things the higher levels just don't share with the public, nor with all thier employees. I've always found this to be a good thing.

We've heard the same things from people about "no hope" and "not to fight back through many campaigns"; this is actually the second campaign I've been involved in this way and we won the first. I remember hearing Forever Knight was dead, CBS didn't want it anymore, it was gone forever, etc. from people with thier sources. Can you imagine the smile on my face (considering I fought hard for it) when USA Network had announced picking up the series and giving us new episodes again ;) I imagine it was the same look that the fans who fought for MASH had, that the fans who fought numerous times for Get Smart had (considering it happenned more than once and actually had first-run episodes on all 3 of the major networks), that the fans that fought for Cagney and Lacey...Remington Steele...Buffy...Roswell had. before anyone mentions to the contrary half the shows I mentioned were officially cancelled by the networks with "no hope of coming back". The Dick Van Dyke show came back from cancellation first season to have 3 more successful seasons and to only end when the shows stars announced they were moving on to bigger things (Dick Van Dyke got a major movie contract).

With that all being said, just remember that there are no absolutes in Hollywood no matter what some may think and loud collective voices have been known to change minds and influence decisions in Hollywood's past. If you think it's worth fighting for fight hard, if you don't then accept our choice to...simple and to the point (after a lengthy explanation ;) )