BirdsofPreyOnline.com - Series Finale - "Feat of Clay"/"Devil's Eyes"

merlin9943

12-11-2002, 07:31 AM

OK GCT has updated their info on this
SPOILERS

its the SON of clayface and he has the power to turn people into clayand it involves a fashion show
and the current title is FEAT OF CLAY
so its about high fashion and clay ,people
enjoy!

Frostbite

12-11-2002, 08:50 AM

The son of Clayface.... is Clayface. There are around 8 Clayfaces. One of them is the child of two others. That means it could either be him, or a child of one of the other 5.

msugirl85

12-11-2002, 07:34 PM

*ponders in her mind* interresting

Ice Storm

12-12-2002, 10:52 PM

i hope its matt hagen

TheDarkKnight

12-13-2002, 10:00 PM

I'm not sure which it will be but I've always been a fan of the Animated Series Clayface. Considering the circumstances, it should be interesting but one thing, that always gets me is that they always refer to these manfestations of villians as Metas (or at least they do on GOTHAMCLOCKTOWER.COM). Now, I know it's how they intended to start the show but considering that Clayface's child is in play, they shouldn't have to rely on this old cliche' after all each Clayface is equally connected.

If the show had lasted longer, I would have prefered to see more of the children of villians and actual criminals, that Birds would have to catch in the Bat's Detective style or should it be Oracle's style.

msugirl85

12-14-2002, 08:23 AM

i've never seen it so i have no idea what anybody is talkin about

Terry

12-17-2002, 06:34 PM

its probobly a new loser or something

Ice Storm

12-17-2002, 10:47 PM

probobly

Bcool

12-19-2002, 12:10 AM

If they stick to the comics then Hagen is dead... so it would have to be another one... to find out wich one well have to wait.

Bcool

Redhead

12-19-2002, 07:49 PM

Gotham clock tower said that ........SPOILERS NOW ( You've been warned)

GCT said that it's the son of Clayface who is now an up and coming assasin. Plus stuff about Claface (original one I think...) being really into Helenas mom ( catwoman for those of you who just crawled out from under a rock...). So there is the only scoop on that ep so far...

Frostbite

12-19-2002, 09:06 PM

The original Clayface is dead. So it can't be that Clayface. There's about 7 living Clayfaces. One of them did have a Clay-child.

Ice Storm

12-19-2002, 11:20 PM

whom was the origanal,i dont know who it is

Bcool

12-20-2002, 12:17 AM

Mathew Hagen was the first clayface... But like frostbite said he's dead. However the "child clay" Cassius is reported to be the most powerful of them all.

Bcool

Frostbite

12-20-2002, 02:54 PM

The spoilers say that the guy in this episode is the son of Clayface (let's call him Clayton for now), not a Clayface himself. Maybe Clayton is Cassius's son.

msugirl85

12-24-2002, 03:48 PM

sounds good-i just hope it is good as the last couple of episodes have been

Terry

12-24-2002, 04:24 PM

clayface is stupid,they should have rather brang in someone cool like the scarecrow

msugirl85

12-24-2002, 04:28 PM

i don't read the comics or anything so i can't say either way

Terry

12-25-2002, 01:03 AM

scarecrow was also in the animated series too

msugirl85

12-25-2002, 03:43 PM

never watched those either-darn it

msugirl85

12-25-2002, 08:01 PM

yes but i have a vaque memory of some kind of batman cartoon but i really don't remember it that well

Bcool

12-26-2002, 01:25 PM

BOP kind of did Scarcorw already. Mr. Larry Ketterly could get inside peoples minds and used there fears to murder them. True he wasn't Dr. Crane but for all perpouses he was Scarcrow.

Bcool

Neptune's Rose

12-26-2002, 02:16 PM

I'm still upset over the pilot ep. they should have just come out and said he was the scare crow, it would've allowed for the writers to give him some sort of background. Oh well.

Terry

12-26-2002, 05:35 PM

larry ketterly is no jonathon crane,ketterly didnt use there fears to murder them,he somehow entered there minds.

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 12:13 AM

Um, yes Ketterly did use their fears to murder them. He entered their minds, found out what they feared most, and made the people think that this fear was happening to them, until they commited suicide.

Terry

12-28-2002, 12:17 AM

if he was able to do what you say how come he couldnt do that to helena,dinah or barbara

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 12:20 AM

Did you even watch the episode? He tried to kill Helena that way at the end, by forcing her to remember her mother's death. Dinah was able to bring herself and Barbara into Helena's mind and stop her from killing herself.

Terry

12-28-2002, 12:25 AM

she didnt seem very frightened,he can enter minds and tell or control them not murder them with there fears

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 12:32 AM

Causing the death of someone is, in fact, a form of murder. And by entering people's minds and forcing them to believe that their worst fears were becoming true, they committed suicide. Although they physically killed themselves, Ketterly was the _reason_ they killed themselves. He caused their deaths. Therefore, he murdered them with their fears.

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 12:40 AM

I shouldn't even respond to that Terry. You have some serious growing up to do. Although I'm apparently only a year older than you, you need to do some major maturing. Please don't reply with spam to any more of my posts. I'm going to ask nicely once. It's disrespectful to the author of the original post, and while it might make the spammer feel good about himself because his post total is one post higher, it degrades the original author's entire thread. Thank you.

(Hope this post isn't too long for you.)

Fat Elvis 007

12-28-2002, 11:55 AM

"how long did it take you to think that one up"-Terry

at least .:Matness:. actually thinks before he posts. now if you don't have anything intelligent to post, than shut the hell up.

there isn't very much difference between ketterly and the scarecrow, except that scarecrow used fear gas and larry used his mind.

"your challenging my intelligence arent you"-Terry

your intelligence is just easily challenged.

Frostbite

12-28-2002, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Fat Elvis 007
there isn't very much difference between ketterly and the scarecrow, except that scarecrow used fear gas and larry used his mind.

Except Larry Ketterly is much more dignified than that. Remember that one scene when he was serving tea and that charming music played in the background? What ever happened to villains like that, the ones that would serve you tea instead of laughing insanely and giving off this monologue about how they would destroy you? Ketterly is the type of villain I like. He even had a family photo on his wall! A villain that loves his family!! I haven't seen that kind of loving since Blockbuster.

hb695

12-28-2002, 07:18 PM

But Ketterly isnt Scarecrow.

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 09:02 PM

Oh, jeez. We never said Ketterly was the Scarecrow, he said he was very similar to the Scarecrow, in that he uses people's worst fears to kill them. Try reading the posts before you reply.

((Sorry if that comes off as harsh, but I'm sick of people who post and don't even know what they're talking about because they haven't even read the posts they're replying to.))

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 11:37 PM

No, they never once said that he was the Scarecrow. Bcool said that it would be a bad idea for them to have used Scarecrow in "Feat of Clay" rather than Clayface, because they already used the concept of the Scarecrow in the Pilot. Which they did. They had a villain who killed people using their fears. He didn't say that Ketterly WAS the Scarecrow. And Neptunekix didn't come NEAR saying that Ketterly was Scarecrow. She said that the writers should have gone ahead and MADE Ketterly to be Scarecrow because of the likenesses between the two characters. Check the facts, bub.

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Neptunekix
I'm still upset over the pilot ep. they should have just come out and said he was the scare crow, it would've allowed for the writers to give him some sort of background. Oh well.

How about you look at it, Terry? She never said that he was the Scarecrow. She's saying that since they made Ketterly so similar to the Scarecrow, they should've just said he was the Scarecrow. She's not saying that Ketterly was the Scarecrow, she understands that he wasn't. Boy, you're even dumber than I could have ever imagined.

.:Mattness:.

12-28-2002, 11:58 PM

SHE WASN'T FRAGGEN SAYING THAT HE WAS THE SCARECROW! SHE WAS SAYING THAT HE WAS LIKE THE SCARECROW, KILLED PEOPLE THE SAME WAY THE SCARECROW DOES, AND THAT THE WRITERS SHOULD HAVE JUST MADE HIM BE THE SCARECROW EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T! Aaargh! How many times do I have to tell you the same crap over and over again? And you call ME a moron!

Terry

12-29-2002, 12:04 AM

i dont really care what you think

.:Mattness:.

12-29-2002, 12:09 AM

If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't keep replying to my posts. If you didn't care what I thought you would be able to ignore me. And my posts are not opinions or thoughts of mine, they are facts. *shakes head slowly*

.:Mattness:.

12-29-2002, 12:16 AM

There is an ignore feature. Go to your profile page and click Edit Ignore List. But if you ignore me, it would bring an end to our conversations that entertain so many other posters... :(

Frostbite

12-29-2002, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by .:Mattness:.
But if you ignore me, it would bring an end to our conversations that entertain so many other posters... :(

It's actually quite annoying. Just learn to ignore Terry; he's too pigheaded to listen to anyone.

MUZBNUTS

12-29-2002, 03:06 AM

Now, now, lets's play nice out there boys and girls! We're supposed to be a united front. Picking on each other won't do anything but upset people.

MUZBNUTS

12-29-2002, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Terry
if he was able to do what you say how come he couldnt do that to helena,dinah or barbara
This is why the WB should have aired the original pilot episode - or at least not cut the scene where the Birds have their showdown with Ketterling. In the original scene, Ketterling uses Helena's fear of losing people that she loves against her. He creates a vision which is a partial re-enactment of her mother's murder. Barbara goes to her and Helena says that she "couldn't protect her". Helena's holding the knife to her chest, all the while staring at the body on the ground. The next words out of her mouth are "I couldn't protect you." Barbara looks down and sees the vision Ketterling has put in Helena's mind - instead of Selina's body, we see a very dead Barbara Gordon! Barbara has to try to snap Helena out of it by telling her that she is not dead, but right there with Helena. The rest of the scene is the same as the aired version.

Frostbite

12-29-2002, 03:36 AM

What? I don't remember that.

Phantess

12-29-2002, 07:00 AM

Ok..isn't fighting on a board pointless?
I'm hardly a peacemaker, and yeah, Terry, you're acting irrational. Not to mention acting annoying too. Let's talk about something constructive, not something that only takes up other's time. Namely who's a moron and who isn't. I'm sure you're better than that.

Can we go back to our regular bat channel now? THANKS!

I didn't get to see that unaired pilot episode :(...sounds great.
Phantess

LisaM

12-29-2002, 11:03 AM

Guess what? The fighting on these boards is now over. A general announcement to everyone: Either knock off the fighting and the negative posts...or you are no longer permitted to post here.

We are losing new members who are tired of the negativity and the fighting.

Chow81488

01-01-2003, 11:31 PM

I hope it's not the last episode. Well I did hear that episode 13 was their last!! :-(

MR_Q

01-06-2003, 11:49 PM

this whole conversation went right over my head.....I read a comic once, superman was on the back... any questions? I really cant see how the WB thinks they can win against comic fans, they might as well fight against trekies, or old people.... or cats, theres nothing more stubborn than a cat.

Mae

01-08-2003, 09:06 PM

Erm... Are we even getting this episode? If so when? Angel is on wednesdays at 9 starting next week.

or was Reunion the last one we get to see on the WB?

Frostbite

01-08-2003, 09:13 PM

I'm sure they'll come on like Monday at 4 in the morning or something.

msugirl85

01-09-2003, 05:47 PM

well somebody tell me when they find out and i'll stay up and watch it anyways

Reese'Girl

01-19-2003, 02:45 PM

the episode will be called " feat of clay" not feet! i was at this site where they had spoilers for the last two episodes but i forgot the name of the site. sorry

Frostbite

01-19-2003, 04:27 PM

Duh.

Silver Cougar

01-25-2003, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by .:Mattness:.
There is an ignore feature. Go to your profile page and click Edit Ignore List. But if you ignore me, it would bring an end to our conversations that entertain so many other posters... :(

I'd have to agree with that. I never thought it was possible to learn something more than once, but I could swear I've learned that Ketterly isn't Scarecrow over 5 times!

OracleRuby

01-29-2003, 12:57 AM

I can't wait for the next episodes.. but then gain I don't want it to end!!! ..... Can I talk safely about the spoilers in here???

msugirl85

01-29-2003, 07:28 AM

we are in spoilers section ain't we-did i get lost again?

Terry

01-29-2003, 10:07 AM

you always get lost or confused...

msugirl85

01-30-2003, 07:25 AM

i was tryin to be a little sarcastic-but i guess that only works with frostbite.......

Frostbite

01-30-2003, 03:08 PM

Ha ha ha.

msugirl85

02-02-2003, 11:06 AM

it does like i read your posts dude and i'm like that's frostbite just being sarcastic-but when i try to be sarcastic it either sounds mean or makes me sound like an idiot

it's a gift you should be proud of!!!!!!!!! where you born sarcastic or did you work at it? tell us your secret!!!!!

Frostbite

02-02-2003, 01:34 PM

It's a story too long to tell now because I'll be having lunch shortly. I'll tell you all in a few hours.

msugirl85

02-02-2003, 02:40 PM

will be waiting

Frostbite

02-02-2003, 05:18 PM

Okay, here we go:

Back when I was 3 years old, in what you would call a "pre-school", we had been assigned to make some sort of construction paper snowman. (I know what you're thinking, 'What does this have to do with anything?'.) Now, for some reason or another, I didn't finish constructing the paper snowman. So, my "teacher" said to me, "Danny, why don't you just finish it for homework?". Being only 3 years old, I didn't grasp the concept of homework. So, obviously, I didn't do it. Next day, I came into "school", and the "teacher", upon realizing I didn't finish (or even start for that matter) the snowman, said, in front of everyone else mind you, "Danny, how hard can it be to complete a simple snowman?". Then, one of my "classmates", Nick, said, "Haha Danny, you're stupid!". And everyone laughed at me. They laughed and laughed and laughed. This was the beginning of the end. All through childhood, I was the fodder for my classmates' insults. First it was stupid, then cootie-infested, then retarded, gay, any insult you could think of, they called me. Because of their constant insults, I built a wall around myself (not a literal wall, idiots). I became very mean. And with meanness comes natural sarcasm.

Silver Cougar

02-02-2003, 07:50 PM

Ahh, now it all makes sense.

shampookixass

02-03-2003, 03:53 PM

Hey, dont yall think that it was too bad that they didnt include morte female oldschool batman villains in the show? I dont kno but if they do make a second season, they should include poison ivy. i think that would be really cool.....and then they could also include the two faced guy.......i hope they make season 2. Is Harley sposed to free the joker in the last episode, or did they just drop that whole concept?:confused:

msugirl85

02-05-2003, 08:43 PM

i knew that you had some kinda reason-acutely i always thought it was something that people where born with......

LuvGibson

02-12-2003, 01:55 PM

wow, i hope you start meeting nicer people frostbite(your not really all that bad, till you get pushed)

msugirl85

02-17-2003, 07:17 PM

aw frostbite is a nice guy.

Cassandra Cain

02-20-2003, 08:19 AM

Please do not put others down on the boards.

Birdofpreyrocks

02-21-2003, 06:37 PM

im totally in love with this show (not in a gay or weird way)

lisi1210

02-24-2003, 12:53 AM

I know this is going to sound nuts but I missed the finale and was wondering if someone could fill me in with the details... PLEASE....

BlacCanary123

02-24-2003, 03:47 PM

On Devil's Eyes (Last episode, they said) Oracle uses the sub-neural machine to help Dinah and Reese in No Man's Land. But her victory was short lived when she collapsed as she did in Lady Shiva. I would like to see Oracle walk more. Dina Meyer, actress who played Oracle, said she would like to use her legs more anyway. If they do bring the show back I would like to see Oracle finally make the sub-neural machine work forever. :rolleyes:

msugirl85

02-24-2003, 05:08 PM

did she have something like that in the comics?

jaguarin

02-24-2003, 05:19 PM

Nop... and the performance of Dina meyer was AMAZING!!!!! I love it... and love Ashley's performance too, she began to feel and to give to Huntrees her own personality. With a little more time she would make grow Helena in a incredible way.

Elizabeth

02-25-2003, 09:22 AM

I want more sceans of Helena and Reese (lol) They go good together

darkphoenix

02-28-2003, 07:22 PM

I wish they would have had a LITTLE more Dinah. (and a LOT mor e Oracle!) I'm not the biggest fan of Dinah, but she wasn't that bad. I kinda wish she would have had a more critical role in she finale. But needless to say, the epsiode was by far the greatest moment I have ever seen on television.

msugirl85

03-01-2003, 10:05 AM

yea, dinah really didn't have that big of a part.

Reese'Girl

03-23-2003, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by lisi1210
I know this is going to sound nuts but I missed the finale and was wondering if someone could fill me in with the details... PLEASE....

It was the best ever! southeroracle.net has screengrabs and soundbytes from the finale.

GL2814

03-23-2003, 08:42 AM

Rub it in why don't you. You guys with your "it was great" and "I want to see her walk more". Did you ever stop to think some of us still haven't seen that episode yet. I've tried with the "I need a tape " thread but, all I got was faulse hope. Now I have to go commit a violent act on someone just to calm down. I hope you guys are happy now.

WavemakerT

03-23-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by gl2813
Rub it in why don't you. You guys with your "it was great" and "I want to see her walk more". Did you ever stop to think some of us still haven't seen that episode yet. I've tried with the "I need a tape " thread but, all I got was faulse hope. Now I have to go commit a violent act on someone just to calm down. I hope you guys are happy now.

Why even read the thread if you haven't seen it? Seems to me that you brought this on yourself.

GL2814

05-31-2003, 05:34 AM

It said before it aired.:p Thanks to Dreyvenscrow I've seen it now. I just wish they'd have killed Reese instead of Wade.

Derek Quinzel

06-02-2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by gl2813
It said before it aired.:p Thanks to Dreyvenscrow I've seen it now. I just wish they'd have killed Reese instead of Wade.

Damn straight!-Homer Simpson

~DQ DONE~

Helena_rox

06-14-2003, 12:46 AM

i hope its all bout helena and reese! it wld be super cool!

Reese'Girl

06-14-2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Helena_rox
i hope its all bout helena and reese! it wld be super cool!

part of it is.

Harli Kwen

07-01-2003, 11:05 AM

I thought the finally was awesome! The best Harley scene in the series!! I looked around for a full body picture of Harley's outfit in the clocktower fight and a close up of her eyes, but couldn't find either. Does anyone know where I can find them? Pleasy?

Huntress16

08-05-2003, 12:00 PM

ClayFace was in it and so was his son and everbody else.

tnewebmaster

08-30-2003, 07:38 PM

Indeed they were, but this thread was kind of designed for BEFORE the finale aired. There is a thread for the Official Discussion in the Season One thread.

Red Mask

09-08-2003, 08:03 AM

The finale finally aired over here! I loved it and thought Harley was excellent!

majunior

09-29-2003, 08:21 AM

The last episodes were kind of an open ending. So I think the director assumed that there would be a 2nd season. 2 bad there wont be a 2nd season :(

tnewebmaster

12-07-2003, 02:21 PM

No, not really, the writers knew about the cancelation and tried their best to wrap things up. See the Hans thread...

http://www.newgotham.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4052

truthoracle

02-10-2004, 09:14 PM

I guess I'm a little late for this thread, seeing how the series finale aired last year...but oh well.

I really liked Devil's Eyes. I think they were saving the best for last. The battle scene at the end rocked. I even saw Alfred hit someone, I was like "go old guy!". and I liked the twist in Feat of Clay where Clayface turned out to be the one who killed Helena's mom.

jaguarin

02-10-2004, 09:29 PM

Glad you enjoyed this great chapter. We can talk about it all day....

p3k3

04-05-2004, 09:21 AM

yeah. i also really liked the fight scenes. all of them were involved. even alfred who managed to raise a shotgun and also hit someone else. cool

BatmansGirl

04-09-2004, 11:32 PM

im just overall mad that the show was cancelled.:curse: it was a great show! i mean.. it was like a grown up version of the cartoons that i used to watch as a kid. even thought the series has been over for a while... i have all of the episodes. i have watched all of them countless times. i love them. we should get a petition goin around the world for people to sign to get the show back up and running. o well thats my vent for the year.... bye:weep:

p3k3

04-10-2004, 10:09 AM

yeah! we are all doing our part to try and bring bop back

ItchyIvy

05-10-2004, 10:59 PM

I seriously thought that the finale was one of the better episodes. I think the season would have been saved if there were more fighting scenerios like the finale. The show would have been even better if they brought Harley's good ol' pal Poison Ivy into it. Imagine those two on the streets of New Gotham. I could go on and on, but I think its time that all of BOP fans tell the WB that the show has so much potential, and with a good combo of writers it could be just as successful as smallvile. I really miss BOP.