BirdsofPreyOnline.com - Tollin/Robbins taken off of Campaign Page

LisaM

12-14-2002, 03:51 PM

On Thursday, we were contacted by Brian Robbins' assistant, who nicely requested that we take Brian's name and address off of the official campaign page. Ted and I decided that we had no choice but to comply. We want Brian to be an ally - not an enemy.

We then received an email thanking us for deleting his information. We were told that Tollin/Robbins had received a ton of letters, which they felt was a great show of support. We were also told that writing to T/R would have no effect upon the future of the show. (I interpret that to mean that the decision to reverse the cancellation or to sell the show elsewhere rests not with T/R - but with The WB and possibly, with Turner Broadcasting.)

The good news is that: (i) we now have confirmation that lots of people (both from the Forum and elsewhere) have been writing letters and hopefully, sending comic books; and (ii) Tollin/Robbins is aware of the fans' great support for the show.

I think that we should continue to focus our efforts on The WB and on Turner Broadcasting since they appear to be the key decision-makers.

Ted and I have just about completed the press release and are preparing to send it out shortly. We wanted to wait until the comic books started to arrive at the recipients in droves in case the media called them for a comment. We will be posting a copy at the Forum as soon as it is released to the media.

In the meantime, keep up the good work! We are clearly making a lot of noise. If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.

LisaM

SevenSlave

12-14-2002, 04:26 PM

That IS wonderful news. :)

I'm sure the ladies would agree: it's important to maintain key alliances.

Gothic Knight

12-14-2002, 04:48 PM

We are defenetly making an impact. I would say the odds of saving the show are improving.

Jesse321

12-14-2002, 05:28 PM

I'm glad they acknowledged the letters, and I agree with taking them off if they can't really do anything to save the show.

I do hope however that they emphazise to "the powers that be" the show of support they have received on behalf of the fans of the show.

PS .... I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT PRESS RELEASE !!! GO LISA & TED !!!!!

Kea

12-14-2002, 06:16 PM

I think its good that T/R know fans are trying to save the show. I am just happy that they got so much mail. Hope the same is happening to the other addresses we are sending stuff too! :)
Keep up the great work everyone! :)

Neptune's Rose

12-14-2002, 10:41 PM

That's great news!!! Save BOP...Keep Hope Alive :)

AshleysSlave

12-15-2002, 04:29 AM

Thats really good news...now lets hope the WB got just as many or even more..cause its them we gotta impress

SevenSlave

12-15-2002, 09:05 AM

It would seem that Levin has turned a deaf ear to the viewers. :(

We may have better luck with Kellner.

Jesse321

12-15-2002, 08:34 PM

I have to agree. I think our only option is to go over Levins head and make sure his superiors know that we are all fighting for this show.

By this I don't mean go over his head in a bad way. Not insult him or try to get him fired or anything like that. We just have to make them realize that there are a WHOLE lot of people who don't want to see this show end.

LisaM

12-15-2002, 08:41 PM

I would still send the comics to both Levin and Kellner since the amount of mail that both receive may factor into any decision to sell the show. Keep bombarding both - with comics or comic mockups.

Jesse321

12-15-2002, 09:00 PM

Your probably right Lisa. But I think we have to keep our focus on the WB for now and getting them to reverse the cacelation.

LisaM

12-15-2002, 09:11 PM

I agree...we are saying the same thing. Keep flooding the WB and Turner with the comic books...if they will reverse the cancellation- great...if not - let's convince them to sell the show.

AshleysSlave

12-15-2002, 10:37 PM

Im personally focusing on WB..I dont want them selling the show, I want them to reverse the cancellation...

SevenSlave

12-16-2002, 04:22 AM

Levin has made no secret of his hatred of the show; he never wanted it on his air in the first place.

He just needed a place-filler until the lame family dramas and reality TV crap he REALLY wanted to feature was ready!

The man is a case (Remember how he treated Dina Meyer after the Stern interview?). Selling the show and/or running it in syndication may be the only way to get it back on the air; Levin has shown himself to be most uncooperative.

IMO, nothing less than Divine Intervention will get him to change his mind. :(

Sxygrrl Huntress

12-16-2002, 05:23 AM

Perhaps Dina Meyer knew about cancellation but was not allowed to say it on the Stern interview. Such an announcement would not come from the actors, even if they know about it.

As for sending the comics, it will tell the WB two things:

• keep the show because there is a big demand for it and the comics to *both* Levin and Kellner are the evidence of that demand

• sell the show because there is a big demand for it to stay on the air and the comics to *both* Levin and Kellner are the evidence of that demand

Whether they want it or not, it is up to the WB to decide. With the comic campaign, united, we have to convince them to keep or sell it as the decision is theirs alone. Other networks, no matter how much mail they get, can't buy it unless the WB sells.

So no matter what efforts you do to help the show, remember that the comics and mockups are the #1 priority. It unites us and shows we want to KEEP THE BIRDS FLYING!

This is what will prove our point. They have to keep it or sell it.

SevenSlave

12-16-2002, 05:44 AM

If that was the case, then any other network would've just cancelled the interview and/or told her not to mention anything about cancellation.

Levin made her look like a fool! :fume:

It's not completely up to The WB; Turner can, will, and HAS sold a series out from under The WB (that's what happened to Buffy last season. IIRC, it was a fight between WB and 20th Century Fox [Buffy's producer] over licensing fees; The WB fought tooth-and-nail to keep Buffy on their network. Unfortunately, UPN came out the highest bidder; after that, Turner sold the series out from under The WB).

In the past, Turner also sold Roswell out from under The WB.

If it was completely up to The WB, would it not stand to reason that they would've been free to reject UPN's offer for Buffy? Do you think that The WB would've let their hit get away from them without a fight?

Sxygrrl Huntress

12-16-2002, 05:49 AM

This is why Kellner is also on the list for comics.... Let's hope our mail convinces him that this is a show worth saving.

The mail (comics) that both Kellner and Levin receive will show them that we want the show and they need to keep it or sell it so it stays on the air.

Keep mailing the comics everyone! :)

SevenSlave

12-16-2002, 08:59 AM

The press release announcing the cancellation was dated 11/20; the Stern interview was on 11/22. Levin and/or his people had -- at a minimum -- TWO WHOLE DAYS to notify Dina Meyer that the show was cancelled before she made a fool of herself on national radio.

I can only conclude that this was a deliberate and intentional act of humiliation on Levin's part. :mad:

DR.Q

12-16-2002, 07:22 PM

well u know ppl mr.levin could be in theese forums trying to stop our progress in the campaign so i say lets try to hunt him out

SevenSlave

12-16-2002, 07:29 PM

He'd have better luck trying to stop a runaway freight train, IMO.

Bcool

12-16-2002, 07:31 PM

If reports are to beleved then Levin never had any intention of letting the show go any where. He needed a slot filler and wanted to test and see if this kind of show had an audience. He put it in a bad time slot up with West Wing and Fastlane. It's clear he didn't like the show and was setting it up to fail from the start.

Bcool

Jesse321

12-17-2002, 01:07 PM

Well guess what ... those may have been his intentions but he didn't count on one thing .... the fans LOVING the show and having the NERVE to fight for it tooth and nail.

People are starting to notice !!!!

Bcool

12-17-2002, 04:34 PM

People indeed are starting to notice. best of all the media is starting to notice, and they're just as confused over the shows premiture cancellation as the fans. Let's hope this turns up the heat on the WB.

Bcool

Chris

12-17-2002, 05:37 PM

I'm Mr.Levin.

heh, I wish. Sorta.

Bcool

12-17-2002, 07:40 PM

Woh, I'm glad I'm not Mr. Levin. What ever he does he'll have unhappy people around him.

Bcool

XOracleX

12-17-2002, 08:45 PM

hey! how do u get the pictures on ur username???

Geraldo05

12-17-2002, 11:37 PM

go to your profile and the last thing it will ask you to do when you update your profile is ask do want an avatar under your user name.

XOracleX

12-18-2002, 10:29 AM

thanx man!!!

Ted

12-18-2002, 07:24 PM

Uh, I don't think Dina Meyer herself is that upset about Levin letting her "make a fool" of herself, and the whole of the interview wasn't even about the show. If she's not fuming about it, why is anyone else? She said what she knew, and it wasn't a case of the press release saying "Dina Meyer was a liar" or something.

SevenSlave

12-18-2002, 07:35 PM

They'd never be that obvious; I doubt even Levin would have the grapefruits to openly call her a liar in a PR.

Nobody is blaming DM for anything. Levin screwed her, the cast, crew, and T/R just as much as he screwed the fans. If the reports are to be believed, he never intended to order any more than 13 eps all along. :(

Ted

12-18-2002, 07:45 PM

Erm... who assumed anyone was blaming DM for anything? I'm simply saying I don't think it's been that big of a deal to Dina and I don't think Levin went out of his way to make her look bad.

If Levin had that much control over what his stars say, I'm sure he would have kept her from discussing "banging and oral on the first date" and being a dirty slut. I can't imagine he even took the time to watch.

SevenSlave

12-18-2002, 07:48 PM

^ Not even Levin can stop Howard from being ... eh, Howard. :D

TheWraith

12-19-2002, 07:53 AM

WB want the show to stay cancelled... and that's what will happen, contacting and sending WB things won't change that. WB are, indeed, tossing most of the correspondence they receive re: BoP. The fight is over and has been for some time. I'm sorry!

Chris

12-19-2002, 07:56 AM

You breed on 100% negativity dont you?
I know, its the truth. Theres no question about it.
But theres no need for you or me to preaching negativity all day.

SevenSlave

12-19-2002, 10:09 AM

Wraith, I have one nerve left ... AND YOU'RE GETTING ON IT! :mad:

What would you have us to do ... roll over and die?! Just sit back and let Levin have his ridiculously expensive placeholder? Is that what you want? You want BOP to go down without a fight?!

BOP -- in its brief lifespan -- has made an impact on a lot of people. IMO, we should let the network know it! We should let them know what a colossal mistake they're making by cancelling it. (FTR, both Variety and Mediaweek have come out in favor of our cause; they're questioning BOP's cancellation as much as we are).

If nothing else, it will tell them that BOP has a fandom; maybe we can squeeze a DVD release of the series out of these people for our trouble ("Clerks: The Animated Series" was cancelled after SIX episodes ... and IT'S on DVD).

Levin would like nothing better than for all of us to throw BOP down the memory hole and forget all about it. Do you want that to happen?

If BOP is about nothing else, it's about refusing to accept what life has to dish out:

Barbara could've just thrown in the towel and declared her career as a crimefighter over after she was paralyzed. Instead, she transformed herself into Oracle -- cyber-genius and The Brains Behind The Birds.
A whole lot of people (Black Canary included) were expecting Helena to become every bit the criminal her mother -- Catwoman -- was. She proved them wrong; she's now doing Batman's work.
And Dinah? She could've just stayed in Missouri and suffered under the Redmonds. Instead, she ran away ... and became a superhero.

We feel lousy enough as is ... if you have nothing better to do than to spread your bile, butt out!

SevenSlave out ...

Frostbite

12-19-2002, 02:44 PM

No need to get pissed off because of some nipple-writing realist.

And why is everybody using Clerks as an example for everything?

jhowlett

12-20-2002, 04:36 PM

maybe TheWraith is really Jordan Levin....hhhhhmmmmm?

Geraldo05

12-21-2002, 05:05 PM

Wraith,

I don't think the fight is over with. The fight has just begun. The media is starting to notice what we die-hard fans have been saying all along, that BOP is not a show that has any reason for being cancelled except for Levin's own prejudices with BOP. I think before the last episode airs on the WB we will some type of results to our campaign to save the Birds. Don't ask me why but I have a strong feeling about it. Look at earlier shows that were in danger of being cancelled, and were saved before they were forced into television obscurity. One example was Star Trek, when it first aired it didn't do that great and it was about to be cancelled, but fans of the show banded together to let the network know they did not want Star Trek to cancelled. The result of their determined efforts saved the show which spawned 4 spin-off shows, 10 movies, countless books and comic books, and video games. I think our coming together to save BOP will not be for nothing.

Redhead

12-21-2002, 06:41 PM

I totally agree with Geraldo 05! Wraith is being Negative. The media is taking regognition. Posted on www.birdsofpreyonline.com, is the news that Knox News in tennasse mentioned our campaign, and know, EVEN more people are sending in comix. If you think positive, positive things will happpen. Keep up the faith, and keep the birds flying!!

Chris

12-21-2002, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Redhead
If you think positive, positive things will happpen. Keep up the faith, and keep the birds flying!!

..Whatever keeps you sleeping at night.

the dove

12-21-2002, 07:08 PM

Hey Chris you better believe that's what keeps Redhead sleeping at night. Redhead and the others are working to right a wrong. What was done to Birds of Prey was wrong and they are working to correct it. Had they just sat back and ignored that wrong, then they couldn't sleep at night. And even if the worst happens, their efforts will not be for nothing because they have at least exposed that wrong for others to see. So whatever happens, the results will be far better than if they had done nothing.

Chris

12-21-2002, 07:25 PM

"Hey Chris you better believe that's what keeps Redhead sleeping at night."

Isnt that what I just said?

the dove

12-21-2002, 11:10 PM

Yeah it is, and I agreed with you. End of story.

Frostbite

12-22-2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Chris
"Hey Chris you better believe that's what keeps Redhead sleeping at night."

Isnt that what I just said?

Are you mocking me?

Chris

12-22-2002, 02:21 PM

What is it this time Frosty?
Did I happen to use two or more of the same words you've used in a sentence in an entirely different forum?

LisaM

12-22-2002, 02:24 PM

Hey guys...enough...let's use some of the energy towards saving BOP - not fighting with each other.

themaninblack

12-22-2002, 05:04 PM

To all fans of BOP. Your incredible support of the show has been duly noted by many people close to the show. The efforts to keep it on the air have been admirable. I know it is quite comforting that the work and long hours have been recognized by hundreds of people. I have read the comments of the naysayers, and feel they are entitled to their opinions. My one gripe is with those who trash a project just for the sake of being disagreeable - The world is full of them - But to the many who love the show and feel strongly about it, I shout BRAVO. I am close to the show, and know deep down all the hard work and dedication that went (and still does) into each episode. Work resumes on Jan 6. for the last episode, it will be bittersweet, none of likes to lose a show, we form a bond with each other. But I know we will be in touch. somewhere down the road. Thank you again FANS. You are the BEST. TTFN

LisaM

12-22-2002, 05:34 PM

We plan to keep on fighting to keep the show on the air...Hopefully, the cast and crew are aware that we are not giving up ...

SevenSlave

12-22-2002, 10:39 PM

^ She's right ...

The party is just gettin' started! :)

BATTLE ON, BIRDS!

Jesse321

12-22-2002, 10:53 PM

HEAR HEAR ! ! ! ! !

the dove

12-22-2002, 11:44 PM

You said it, Seven! As long as the show is still in production, there's still hope and we will battle on. This is just like the Alamo guys, but the ending here still remains to be written.

DR.Q

12-23-2002, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by jhowlett
maybe TheWraith is really Jordan Levin....hhhhhmmmmm?

lets get him *we all book plane flights*

themaninblack

12-23-2002, 01:13 PM

Lisa M - (We) the cast and crew are aware of all your efforts and we are grateful. Where there is a glimmer of light, there is hope. TTFN

LisaM

12-23-2002, 01:14 PM

Thanks...We all agree: We will keep fighting until there is absolutely no possibility of airing the show on any network. Please pass that along...

themaninblack

12-23-2002, 09:49 PM

Lisa - Will do.......

SevenSlave

12-23-2002, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by LisaM
Thanks...We all agree: We will keep fighting until there is absolutely no possibility of airing the show on any network. Please pass that along...

No possiblity of airing the show on any network? Are you sure?

Isn't that what Levin WANTS? o_O

To bury the show?

LisaM

12-23-2002, 09:55 PM

You are misunderstanding me: I am saying that we will not give up the fight until (i) the show is back on the air; or (ii) there is absolutely no possibility that it is coming back - i.e. every single network or syndicator passes. In other words, the fight continues until it is fruitless to fight anymore!

SevenSlave

12-23-2002, 09:56 PM

Understood :)

LisaM

12-23-2002, 10:21 PM

Themaninblack: I am curious as to why we have had some difficulty getting official words of support for the campaign from the cast and the producers. Perhaps it is because we have contacted publicists who may have neglected to pass the request onto their actor clients?

As to the producers, I'll admit that I am at a loss as to their silence. One would think that they would be actively supporting the campaign a la Joss Whedon and Firefly.

CYPRESS13

12-24-2002, 10:06 AM

I know when I talked to an assisitant to the producer a while ago, I was very put off due to his cold and flippant attitude. I do not know if he was tired of answering calls, but he did not seem to care about the show. The best I got was that it was out of the fans hands and up to the executives. Of course, he would not give any indication if there was any talks going on or if the producer even was trying to save the show. It was very frustrating. Realistically, what chance do we have if the producers of the show won't even back us? I almost feel like they have resigned themselves to just fininshing the show. Additionally, the way we have failed to hear anything from the cast or crew, I wonder if they have beeen given a "gag order" to remain quiet or just want it to end also. I guess I would have expected some reaction from the cast, crew or producers, and it is discouraging that we have not heard anything. It almost sounds like an indication of what is meant to be.

Okay enough of me venting....

As long as there appears to be a chance to save this show, I will continue to fight for it.

If anyone has any information that will raise our spirits for the holidays, please let us know....

Jesse321

12-24-2002, 10:18 AM

It would be nice to at least hear somthing from the producers or more importantly the CAST. I would really make everything we are doing at least worthwhile. Shoot we are trying to save thier jobs after all.

Sxygrrl Huntress

12-24-2002, 12:32 PM

Who knows *what* they can or can't say. I would love some words of support too but I'm hoping they are working something out and don't want to openly speak out about the campaign in fear that it will blow any negotiations they have going. Who knows. Keeping my fingers crossed (between writing letters, of course) ;)

Kea

12-25-2002, 06:47 PM

Very well said Lisa. Agreed the fights not over until we have tried everything.

Could it be that the producers aren't saying much because they want to keep a healthy relationship with the WB because of other shows they might produce? (or not)

But I agree with sxygrrl who knows what they can or can't say. I would love to hear something as well but if they are negotiating (really hope for that one) then by all means don't say anything until its all said and done and hopefully good news.

Sxygrrl will it help if I Keeping my fingers crossed while you write your letters and then we switch! It might help. ;)

TheWraith

12-26-2002, 06:39 AM

There are no negotiations taking place. The show is 100% dead, and nothing will change that. Tollin/Robbins have moved on already. Fans will eventually have to as well. There will come a time when you will realise the show isn't coming back, and when that time comes, as it will, you will have to accept that the show is gone and not coming back. You may not like it, you don't have to like it, but you'll have to accept it, because that's just the way it is.

Gothic Knight

12-26-2002, 06:47 AM

Let's Save the show. Will show to Mr. Levin that we can do it.

Jesse321

12-26-2002, 10:58 AM

Wraith ... if you really think your deturring anyone here from the campaign your as stupid as you are annoying. Your entitled to your opinion, but guess what NO ONE HERE CARES !! We will continue to fight for the show, even if its a lost cause WE WILL GO DOWN FIGHTING !!

So just do everyone here a favor and get the hell over yourself already.

BATTLE ON BIRD WATCHERS !!

Neptune's Rose

12-26-2002, 02:32 PM

Hey wait did we collectively pick a name for the fans? cuz I kinda liked New Gothamites, but i like birdwatchers too :) And remember its not over until the Black Canary sings...

Geraldo05

12-26-2002, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by TheWraith
There are no negotiations taking place. The show is 100% dead, and nothing will change that. Tollin/Robbins have moved on already. Fans will eventually have to as well. There will come a time when you will realise the show isn't coming back, and when that time comes, as it will, you will have to accept that the show is gone and not coming back. You may not like it, you don't have to like it, but you'll have to accept it, because that's just the way it is. Wraith why are you still here if you think that? Quit trying to spread around your negative energy over this board. Most of us here think that we have a shot at saving BOP. :fight: